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Question for the Beta´s: How much passengers can the PMDG 777LR carry?

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Hello, 

 

i´ve got a question for the test pilots! The Boeing 777-200LR can carry up to 301 passengers in real life. Is it possible to carry 301 passengers with the PMDG 777LR? Which seating configurations are possible (three class or two class etc.)? 

It would be very nice if someone could give me an anwer. 

 

 

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Hello, 

 

i´ve got a question for the test pilots! The Boeing 777-200LR can carry up to 301 passengers in real life. Is it possible to carry 301 passengers with the PMDG 777LR? Which seating configurations are possible (three class or two class etc.)? 

It would be very nice if someone could give me an anwer. 

 

It is after all modelled after a real 777-200LR.

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It is after all modelled after a real 777-200LR.

 

Nice to hear! But another Beta tester told me that by default, it´s only possible to carry 14 First class, 48 Business Class and 172 Economy Class passengers in the PMDG T7 LR. Is there any option to change this? I mean in the NGX there was an option to change the seating configuration to single class. So it was able to carry about 174 passengers. 

It´s important for me because 234 Passengers in a Boeing 777-200LR is very few for a big airplane, isn´t it? 

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I do not see an option to change it from 14/48/172, but as I always say, weight is weight.  20,000 pounds of people is the same as 20,000 pounds of lead weights.  If you can't set your exact airline's config, just enter the equivalent weight, instead, and it'll behave just the same.

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Nice to hear! But another Beta tester told me that by default, it´s only possible to carry 14 First class, 48 Business Class and 172 Economy Class passengers in the PMDG T7 LR. Is there any option to change this? I mean in the NGX there was an option to change the seating configuration to single class. So it was able to carry about 174 passengers. 

It´s important for me because 234 Passengers in a Boeing 777-200LR is very few for a big airplane, isn´t it? 

Not trying to act smart but its an easy option to make so 90% implemented :D or maybe not but as kyle said, just add the weight :) 

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I do not see an option to change it from 14/48/172, but as I always say, weight is weight.  20,000 pounds of people is the same as 20,000 pounds of lead weights.  If you can't set your exact airline's config, just enter the equivalent weight, instead, and it'll behave just the same.

 

Thank you for this answer! Ok. And there is really no option like in ngx? I mean the PMDG T7 will be my dream aircraft and it´s not a big problem for me because it´s like you said: Weight is weight. But i don´t really undertand the 14/48/172 because even delta carry up to 293 passengers with this airplane. Maybe more possible configurations in the FMC settings would be great. 

Not trying to act smart but its an easy option to make so 90% implemented :D or maybe not but as kyle said, just add the weight :) 

Yeah, but i think it would be better if PMDG just set a maximum of passengers in the fmc payload page (301 passengers for example), and everyone could choose the wanted value. 

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Thank you for this answer!

 

You're welcome.  Here's a pic:

 

FMCPayload.JPG

 

 

 


But i don´t really undertand the 14/48/172 because even delta carry up to 293 passengers with this airplane. Maybe more possible configurations in the FMC settings would be great. 

 

Researching every possible combination would take a lot of time, and then down the road it may change anyway.  Beyond that, even the same fleets have different layouts, which makes it even more difficult.  I'd argue it's just too time consuming to add much value, because as I mentioned earlier, weight is weight.

 

...one type of weight complains more, though.

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I think even beyond weight changing those numbers would change the CG, and would impact the Zero fuel Weight too, I guess two aircraft with a different seat configuration won't share the same ZFW, just the seat weight would change. Looks too much too complex to do, as well as how to put limit on those numbers, how would you determine what is possible as configuration or not. I think as always they studied a specific aircraft and matched that aircraft.

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20,000 pounds of people is the same as 20,000 pounds of lead weights.

 

Yeah but I wouldn't want to be the poor sucker who's gotta put all those lead weights at their proper arm lengths for W&B...

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Yeah but I wouldn't want to be the poor sucker who's gotta put all those lead weights at their proper arm lengths for W&B...

 

Having loaded bags onto planes for several years, no, I wouldn't want to be that guy...not at all.

 

I'm pretty sure some of the foreign travelers who used our airline packed lead, particularly from a specific location on the globe (with weird plastic luggage, too), but in order to not sound rude (for once), I'll just leave it at that.

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You're welcome.  Here's a pic:

 

FMCPayload.JPG

 

 

 

 

Researching every possible combination would take a lot of time, and then down the road it may change anyway.  Beyond that, even the same fleets have different layouts, which makes it even more difficult.  I'd argue it's just too time consuming to add much value, because as I mentioned earlier, weight is weight.

 

...one type of weight complains more, though.

WOW...thank you for this picture...! Ok, i can deal with it ;)... it´s not really a big problem for me. The only thing i have to find out is the weight per passenger. In the PMDG Boeing 747, every passenger had a weight of 150 lbs. Maybe the same in the 777LR. 

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The passenger configuration does seem very low. The Boeing website says a typical 3 class configuration is 301 people.

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I'm pretty sure some of the foreign travelers who used our airline packed lead, particularly from a specific location on the globe (with weird plastic luggage, too), but in order to not sound rude (for once), I'll just leave it at that.

 

I think I may know what you're talking about, but yeah we'll leave it haha.

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WOW...thank you for this picture...! Ok, i can deal with it ;)... it´s not really a big problem for me. The only thing i have to find out is the weight per passenger. In the PMDG Boeing 747, every passenger had a weight of 150 lbs. Maybe the same in the 777LR. 

Sir, 

 

i hope i´m not anoying you but maybe there is an option in the aircraft options in the fmc like in the ngx ? It was possible to choose between a single class or a two class configuration in the NGX: Maybe there´s an option like this in the PMDG 777LR ? This is the last question^^

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WOW...thank you for this picture...!

 

You're welcome!

 

 

 


Maybe there´s an option like this in the PMDG 777LR ? This is the last question^^

 

Nope.  I didn't see any options in the Options or Setup menus to do so.

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The passenger configuration does seem very low. The Boeing website says a typical 3 class configuration is 301 people.

Yes! I found a seating map of the boeing suggested boeing configuration. Maybe pmdg should use this configuration. But if it´s hard to change, PMDG should not change this. But it would be cool! I hope there would not be a delay^^. 

 

Here is the Boeing suggested config: 

You can see that Boeing suggested a 16/58/227 configuration (301 passengers). Ok: There is not much space for the legs but hey, you have to be hard in the world^^...! 

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Just adding extra weight is a bit disappointing for me as I like to try and accurately simulate passenger loads and baggage. Adding weight is like economy/coach class passengers being allowed 4 cases each at checkin lol

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Just adding extra weight is a bit disappointing for me as I like to try and accurately simulate passenger loads and baggage. Adding weight is like economy/coach class passengers being allowed 4 cases each at checkin lol

 

Eh...you can't let obsessive compulsions get in the way of your enjoyment, really.  Like I said, weight is weight.  It'll feel the same up front.  The only hang up for people is the obsessive attention to detail that our hobby seems to have.  While it's great in some areas, it goes a little too far in others.  Again, listing every single possible passenger loadout would be nearly impossible, and would provide little benefit.

 

 

 

 

Everyone realises that airlines are the ones who determine what loadouts are used in their aircraft, right?  It's not Boeing, and it changes all the time even within airlines.  Heck, i think United alone has 2 or 3 different 777 layouts, not to mention 3 or so 767 layouts.

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Eh...you can't let obsessive compulsions get in the way of your enjoyment, really. Like I said, weight is weight. It'll feel the same up front. The only hang up for people is the obsessive attention to detail that our hobby seems to have. While it's great in some areas, it goes a little too far in others. Again, listing every single possible passenger loadout would be nearly impossible, and would provide little benefit.

 

 

 

 

Everyone realises that airlines are the ones who determine what loadouts are used in their aircraft, right? It's not Boeing, and it changes all the time even within airlines. Heck, i think United alone has 2 or 3 different 777 layouts, not to mention 3 or so 767 layouts.

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Eh...you can't let obsessive compulsions get in the way of your enjoyment, really.  Like I said, weight is weight.  It'll feel the same up front.  The only hang up for people is the obsessive attention to detail that our hobby seems to have.  While it's great in some areas, it goes a little too far in others.  Again, listing every single possible passenger loadout would be nearly impossible, and would provide little benefit.

 

 

 

 

Everyone realises that airlines are the ones who determine what loadouts are used in their aircraft, right?  It's not Boeing, and it changes all the time even within airlines.  Heck, i think United alone has 2 or 3 different 777 layouts, not to mention 3 or so 767 layouts.

 

Yes, i see! But this is the reason the best way is to set the boeing suggested configuration to the default config (The pic i attached). I mean so we have a maximum of 301 passengers and mostly all configurations are possible bacause you can vary with the 16/58/227. 

 

But it´s like i said: Not a big problem for me! But it would be interesting what pmdg would say to my suggestion^^. 

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I agree it's impossible to simulate every possible configuration.

 

Would just like to have seen a layout nearer the 300 people mark. Though I haven't done any research myself yet,I was wondering what the operators of the aircraft in the real world have their passenger seating layouts at

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Of course there are more important things, but maybe pmdg can change these values? Maybe it´s not a big deal for them. 

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How do you know we won't get a pax capacity of 300+ on some livery variations?  With the NGX when you downloaded a certain airline paint, the plane would come set with it's company options.  Who knows what we will get this time?  Not even the beta team knows yet.  

 

Just wait.  

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Having different configurations could be an ordeal. Here's how I load my NGX:

I use TOPCAT to get my payload and ZFW figure, I set my passenger weight to 85kgs.I get the ZFW figure in tonnes and enter that into the Right Select Key 2 in the payload page, and the weight gets distributed across the cabin and the cargo bays.

 

In my opinion this is all we need to do, as it doesn't matter where your imaginary passengers are seated.

 

You will be spending your time with immersion into detail and systems that will make things like how many passengers to load look pity in comparison.

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Even though the number of maximum pax is quite low, I assume we can still fill up the aircraft all the way up to its Maximum Zero Fuel Weight with freight, right?

 

The 777 I am familiar with have:

MZFM 195.044 KG (430000 lbs)

MTOM 294.835 KG (650000 lbs)

 

or

 

MZFM 199.580 KG (440000 lbs)

MTOM 294.835 KG (650000 lbs)

 

 

I see 768.000lbs as max TO weight in your FMC!

Thats a lot!

Is this with 90.000lbs engines or 110.000?

 

thx

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