honestly I think this is all a fuss over nothing. As been said in this thread a few times, you an set the ZFW to whatever you want, thereby recreating exactly the passenger loading that you want. Your ZFW has nothing to do with faking cargo as passengers!

 

I am happy the guys are concentrating on making sure the aircraft has so many accurate and fascinating features rather than making the 777 a seating simulator. Sure you could do a whole seating config thing, but there are only so many hours in the day and only so many programmers on the team. Something else would have to be dropped.  I think they have their priorities just right. Would you want a situation of "sorry guys she doesn't fly accurately because we put all of our time in to a really nifty seating simulator"? All that seating setup would do, in any case, is create the ZFW for you. You can do the whole thing yourself very easily.

Since the ZFW covers the weight issue, why would the number of seats be a issue? It almost seems the same argument of having a virtual cabin. You fly the aircraft. You aren't a flight attendant or passenger on it. All your focus should be in the cockpit.

honestly I think this is all a fuss over nothing. As been said in this thread a few times, you an set the ZFW to whatever you want, thereby recreating exactly the passenger loading that you want. Your ZFW has nothing to do with faking cargo as passengers!

 

I am happy the guys are concentrating on making sure the aircraft has so many accurate and fascinating features rather than making the 777 a seating simulator. Sure you could do a whole seating config thing, but there are only so many hours in the day and only so many programmers on the team. Something else would have to be dropped.  I think they have their priorities just right. Would you want a situation of "sorry guys she doesn't fly accurately because we put all of our time in to a really nifty seating simulator"? All that seating setup would do, in any case, is create the ZFW for you. You can do the whole thing yourself very easily.

Okay, okay!!! I´m silent now^^. 

 

So i have an example: 

 

I wanna carry 301 passengers for my flight. The first thing i do is to enter the weights etc. into the FMC. 234 passengers are the maximum by default.

 

234 passengers = 35100 LBS (150LBS per passenger). 

 

Now, i want to add the rest of the passengers: 67 passengers = 10050LBS. 

 

That means that the weight for 301 passengers is about 45150LBS (is this right?). 

 

The 10050 LBS (drom the 67 passengers) i load into the cargo section. Now i have to add the luggage of the passengers etc. 

 

Is this all right? 

 

What is the ZFW of my suggested flight (301 passengers and 66LBS for every passenger luggage)

 

 

Hmm... and you can probise that the behavior of the aircraft is really like i would load 301 passengers, even if i load the 67 "fake passengers" into the cargo section? 

 

That would be cool^^... 

We are looking into the feasibility of changing the PAYLOAD page feature so that the exact seating configuration can be included in the ini on a per livery basis. Before anyone asks or assumes - this will *NOT* be producing a visual change in the number of seats or rows visible on the model - that is way beyond the intent here and probably not possible given FSX animation/part limits. This may or may not make the initial RTM release - there are other far more critical things the programmers are doing right now.

 

I want to emphasize that this is completely meaningless to the airplane itself though - as Kyle said earlier, weight is weight. It doesn't matter if a piece of text tells you that weight is there in the form of passengers or in the form of cargo. That final ZFW number is all that matters to the FMC and it's all that matters to dispatch etc. Nowhere is there a "number of passengers" entry in the real-life FMC. It's GW or ZFW+fuel, that's it.

We are looking into the feasibility of changing the PAYLOAD page feature so that the exact seating configuration can be included in the ini on a per livery basis. Before anyone asks or assumes - this will *NOT* be producing a visual change in the number of seats or rows visible on the model - that is way beyond the intent here and probably not possible given FSX animation/part limits. This may or may not make the initial RTM release - there are other far more critical things the programmers are doing right now.

 

I want to emphasize that this is completely meaningless to the airplane itself though - as Kyle said earlier, weight is weight. It doesn't matter if a piece of text tells you that weight is there in the form of passengers or in the form of cargo. That final ZFW number is all that matters to the FMC and it's all that matters to dispatch etc. Nowhere is there a "number of passengers" entry in the real-life FMC. It's GW or ZFW+fuel, that's it.

 

 

 

Ryan 

 

I might have missed a thread or topic talking about this 

 

but can you illustrate more on why FSPAX or XPAX dont go along with each other? is it that their program have any issues with weight and balance? 

Ryan 

 

I might have missed a thread or topic talking about this 

 

but can you illustrate more on why FSPAX or XPAX dont go along with each other? is it that their program have any issues with weight and balance? 

 

If these companies would contact us about making their programs compatible rather than just sitting and saying that we should conform to the unrealistic basic FSX methods for loading passengers and fuel, then they'd work. Thus far they never have though.

We are looking into the feasibility of changing the PAYLOAD page feature so that the exact seating configuration can be included in the ini on a per livery basis. Before anyone asks or assumes - this will *NOT* be producing a visual change in the number of seats or rows visible on the model - that is way beyond the intent here and probably not possible given FSX animation/part limits. This may or may not make the initial RTM release - there are other far more critical things the programmers are doing right now.

 

I want to emphasize that this is completely meaningless to the airplane itself though - as Kyle said earlier, weight is weight. It doesn't matter if a piece of text tells you that weight is there in the form of passengers or in the form of cargo. That final ZFW number is all that matters to the FMC and it's all that matters to dispatch etc. Nowhere is there a "number of passengers" entry in the real-life FMC. It's GW or ZFW+fuel, that's it.

WOW...!!! PMDG, i can´t believe it...!!! You are my heros...!!! Really thank you soooo much. It´s so cool that we can have different seating configurations for each livery. .Please add the seating capacity of 301 passengers to the maximum.... 

 

I say this again: Thank you so much!!! 

If these companies would contact us about making their programs compatible rather than just sitting and saying that we should conform to the unrealistic basic FSX methods for loading passengers and fuel, then they'd work. Thus far they never have though.

 

this is a shame 

 

thanks for your reply  

I can´t really stop smiling^^. Would be cool to get this feature with the Release of the plane! 

WOW...!!! PMDG, i can´t believe it...!!! You are my heros...!!! Really thank you soooo much. It´s so cool that we can have different seating configurations for each livery. .Please add the seating capacity of 301 passengers to the maximum.... 

 

I say this again: Thank you so much!!! 

 

He said the we're gonna look at it. That's totally different then doing it. Probably cost us a couple of days extra to the release as well now.

I'm really not understanding why has turned into such a big issue.

Why? Because actually being able to load exactly the right amount of passengers seems to be important instead of simply putting their weight. The seat layout isn't going to change. I don't even see the need. It would be nice but let it come out in a SP. We don't need this feature installed before release.

WOW...!!! PMDG, i can´t believe it...!!! You are my heros...!!! Really thank you soooo much. It´s so cool that we can have different seating configurations for each livery. .Please add the seating capacity of 301 passengers to the maximum.... 

 

I say this again: Thank you so much!!! 

 

I did not say we're definitely doing it - I said we are looking into the feasibility. If it isn't feasible we won't be doing it.

 

Also - 301 is definitely not the maximum. If you configured the airplane all economy it could probably carry upwards of 400.

Though weight is indeed weight, what about balancing the weight? I think that is the primary concern that they have. I'm not exactly sure as to how sensitive the 777 is in terms of weight and balance but the change of weight distribution in the cargo bins (forward, aft, bulk) and passenger cabins (A, B, C, etc.) could be minute. 

If I really cared that much, I'd just change the ZFW as has been recommended and think to myself "301, 301, 301". Issue solved since no passengers are depicted and the cabin view isn't going to change regardless.

 

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