Still amazes me that a major international airport would have a curfew.

 

The power of public lobbying 

Still amazes me that a major international airport would have a curfew.

In this age of litigious, petitions, political pandering and such?

 

I'm surprised more don't. Or that Sydney Airport isn't 100km west of Mudgee.

 

Sydney doesn't let anything depart a gate or land between 11pm and 5:30am without paying loads of fines/fees and if any given operator do it too much they might loose their early/late slot times or get diverted to an airport without curfew.

 

I believe Heathrow have 6am time, and controllers literally slow, vector and stack arrivals so that the first touchdown happens at a few seconds after 6am (Saw that on a documentary once).

 

It's all politics.

 

 

Sydney doesn't let anything depart a gate or land between 11pm and 5:30am without paying loads of fines/fees and if any given operator do it too much they might loose their early/late slot times or get diverted to an airport without curfew.

 

Are those fines waved for emergency landings?

 

 

11pm and 5:30am

 

We would always have a ton of cancellation if such curfews existed at ORD.

Are those fines waved for emergency landings?

 

 

Other exceptions to curfew restrictions are: 

(amongst other things) emergency aircraft, police, air-ambulance, Royal Flying 

Doctor Service, search and rescue, or an aircraft declaring 

an emergency

 

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/wp-content/uploads/11-152FAC_Airport-curfews_WEB.pdf

 

 

Still amazes me that a major international airport would have a curfew.

 

I can understand why they would have one in Sydney as the airport is out over Botany Bay surrounded by densely populated residential areas. It's also in very close proximity to the CBD itself so as planes generally come in on approach they have to fly over the city itself creating lots of noise. I once lived in a suburb very close to the airport and in fact my place was just underneath the approach path for rwys 16L/R and I can tell you when those runways were active, it was NOISY!

 

What I don't understand is why to this day Sydney STILL has only one international airport...

Only reason we have no flights between 11 and 5 is because our dear deputy PM and transport/infrastructure minister Albanese wanted votes to stay from his electorate. There was an article in today's paper which explained there could be 15 more flights between 11pm and 5am which would introduce something like 380m into the economy per year.

 

The cap of 80 movements per hour is also a joke. No need for a 2nd sydney airport if we get rid of the stupid ministers that create this stupid legislation.

 

 

No need for a 2nd sydney airport if we get rid of the stupid ministers that create this stupid legislation.

 

Everyone in the world needs only look as far as our airports (both former and current) in California to get a good grasp of "even if you build it in the boonies, idiots will put houses next to it and shut it down if you don't protect it."

 

No.

Joke.

 

People put houses on PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD in California and then complained about the noise, as if it was some secret that the airport would be noisy.

 

Seriously - this is my home airport:

 

When I was younger, we would drive out to my granparents on the Greenway (pictured), and I'd always just stare at the airport.  It was out in the middle of nowhere at the time.  Look just north of the runway in the picture and you'll see they got as far as roughing in streets for more houses.  Luckily the county stepped in and told the town that what they were about to do is severely damage revenue streams for the short term gain of the house purchases, and a pittance on taxes (in comparison to the revenue brought in at the airport.)

 

...because let's be honest.  Where do you think people fly into to avoid the fees at IAD?  JYO.

Where do they hold an insane car show in a hangar with Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini and such, next to some aircraft being offered for sale?  JYO.

Where have I run into celebs and other big names?  JYO.

 

Idiots...

 

It's what I studied in college (Public and Urban Affairs - land use planning, etc.), so I tend to get a little fired up when I see NIMBYism and other such idiocies.  What I found in a lot of my research was that airports were no louder than some other local noise producers, but the sound is very easily identifiable, so people have something to direct their anger at.

 

Favorite coffee shop conversation overheard:

Girl 1: "You know, the other night my flight almost got diverted to Dulles because we almost came in after the curfew. The airline wouldn't have known what hit them once I got them on the phone to complain!!!"

Girl 2: "Oh yeah? That would be terrible. [etc.]"

Girl 1: "Yeah, there's just nothing good about any of it. I was out with [i'm assuming husband's name] out on our balcony last night and we kept getting interrupted by planes. It's terrible! It was too late for them to be flying."

 

Me:

[internal double-take and dialogue]

Wait. So you say you almost ruined the airline's world for diverting to another airport to not bust a curfew because people complain about the noise, and then one minute later complain about the noise, but only because it wasn't your plane trying to get in later at night...wow.

[/internal double-take and dialogue]

"Hi, yeah, I'll have a venti Americano, no room, please."

 

 

 

[/RANT]

(and I've even had my coffee this morning...)

 

 

No.
Joke.

 

Hey look! A cheap house! (or alternatively a cheap building lot!) Wow, we need to get there before someone buys it!

 

enter two weeks after moving in

 

These airplanes are terrible! How dare have they flown here for 90+ years when I am living here (since a week ago)!

 

Yeah.

A true cut and dry case of NIMBY. "oh that is a great idea as long as it doesn't affect me"

 

 

These airplanes are terrible! How dare have they flown here for 90+ years when I am living here (since a week ago)!

 

Yep.

 

 

 

A true cut and dry case of NIMBY. "oh that is a great idea as long as it doesn't affect me"

 

haha - yep.

 

Also, I alluded to your original question in my first video, but as others have written, it's probably a lot more common in the freight world.

I can understand why many simmers like cold and dark starts but it's not necessarily realistic. I prefer a short turn set up (but with APU off) but it's more a matter of personal preference than realism. So whether cargo operation should make a difference is really a moot point.

Also, I alluded to your original question in my first video, but as others have written, it's probably a lot more common in the freight world.

 

hmm must have missed it, I was so over joyed by the fact that I was seeing those fancy, newfangled moving pictures. I will go back and take a look. thanks

hmm must have missed it, I was so over joyed by the fact that I was seeing those fancy, newfangled moving pictures. I will go back and take a look. thanks

 

haha - welcome. I was bouncing around topics so much, I can't say I'm surprised people miss things. It's somewhere between the beginning and departure, though.

Drives me insane how people move near airports, and then complain about the noise!!! No words to describe the new level of idiot they managed to achieve.

 

Meanwhile, boy-racer down the road with his illegally noisy car exhaust carries on unchallenged.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

Drives me insane how people move near airports, and then complain about the noise!!! No words to describe the new level of idiot they managed to achieve.

 

#California (particularly SoCal)

 

Then again, IAD has its own share of idiots.  I love it when people in Ashburn and South Riding complain about the noise around me.

 

My response is always:

"Washington Dulles International Airport - 1962

Your House - 2001

 

Clearly this was a known factor prior to you building your house, or moving here.  Now, I'm off to write my Congressman about my house being underwater because I put it on a floodplain."