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Hello guys! 

 

I have some money to spend on a new GPU, i thought at a GTX 760 OC 4GB.

Is it worth to invest the money on it, should I see improvements over my old GTX 480, maybe 5-6 FPS ? 

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Nobody? 

 

I'm thinking at GTX770 2gb or 760 OC 4gb

As P3D 2.0 is around the corner you may consider a look into their forum. There is a thread with a question if it would be better to invest into a 770 or a 780 and one of the development team stated: get as much as you can afford! P3D 2.0 will stretch the limits of all modern GPU.

 

I have no idea if the GTX 770 2GB will prevail over the 760 OC 4GB! It is, however, likely that it is dependent on your personal settings: A multi-screen setup with very high resolution my work better with 4 GB than with 2 GB but I am not a developer...

 

My personal decision is to wait until 2.0 is out (LM says this year) and we see what serves it best.

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Hi, less than week ago i have changed my GTX460 to GTX760.

I cannot see any change, no any fps gain.

From my perspective upgrading GPU is waste of money if u are using only FSX, and do not play other games.

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I use only FSX, I don't play any other games, but I saw other users here on the forum that after they have change their GPU have gain at least 5FPS with the new one, which for me is more than enough to keep my FPS at a steady 30FPS. If I'm able to gain even 5FPS is justifed for me to spend 400$


Hi, less than week ago i have changed my GTX460 to GTX760.

I cannot see any change, no any fps gain.

From my perspective upgrading GPU is waste of money if u are using only FSX, and do not play other games.

What GTX760 have you got, the OC version??? The OC version have a clock speed of 1087GHZ wich in my opinion should help you gain some FPS , because it process the texture very quickly and the CPU have more room to work!

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If anyone changes their GPU expecting to gain frames, then they will be sorely disappointed, unless it's maybe a card from the dark ages! There may be some increase in performance in cloud and some additional AA handling depending on the GPU.

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Dear "Jackal"

 

I have 760 OC / 2Gb.Gigabyte

Yes, u  are right about clock value, u can go even higher with given soft "OC Guru".

 

I can only said what is my experience - gain nothing, i have not seen even 2 fps not saying about request 5

My old 460 1Gb ( OC by NVIDIA inspector ) was giving me same fps as 760 OC.

 

I think those 400$ u can spend in better way than investing into new graphic board.

Somewhere i read that 650 Ti is sufficient for FSX and everything higher is redundant, now i would say - i agree.

On the other hand i read some folks there who report huge improvement after changing to GTX7... so maybe i am negative example.

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Let me tell you my short story. 

 

Before my current GTX480,I had an Ati 6870 1GB 950Mhz clock speed, with that Ati I was getting 30FPS locked 24-25FPS with NGX at EGLL.

I had an opportunity to change that Ati with my current GTX480 1.5GB 700Mhz clock speed, this was the worst deal in my life, now my FSX runs at 27-28FPS and 20-22FPS with NGX at EGLL. That's when I realize that my previous Ati was running with 30FPS because of it's core speed (950Mhz).

 

Now I want to buy this 760 because it's OC to 1084Mhz, so in theory will help me gain and maintain 30FPS.

 

Am I wrong???

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i do not know if u are wrong, i did follow more or less same thinking way and result was rather disappointing.

Maybe there is a chance to borrow such card for day or two and test it?, or buy with return option - that would be the best solution.

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Let me tell you my short story. 

 

Before my current GTX480,I had an Ati 6870 1GB 950Mhz clock speed, with that Ati I was getting 30FPS locked 24-25FPS with NGX at EGLL.

I had an opportunity to change that Ati with my current GTX480 1.5GB 700Mhz clock speed, this was the worst deal in my life, now my FSX runs at 27-28FPS and 20-22FPS with NGX at EGLL. That's when I realize that my previous Ati was running with 30FPS because of it's core speed (950Mhz).

 

Now I want to buy this 760 because it's OC to 1084Mhz, so in theory will help me gain and maintain 30FPS.

 

Am I wrong???

 

Sorry but this comparison is way off just because one GPU runs at 700Mhz compared to one running at 950Mhz does not mean one is faster than the other unless you are talking about the same graphics card line.

 

Example, My GTX 780 Boost clock is 902Mhz. The GTX 760 you refer to is 1084Mhz. Which one do you think is faster? GTX 780 of course.

 

Just had to clear that up for you. Consensus is that Nvidia is also the superior card manufacturer as far as FSX goes.

 

GTX 760 will be faster, quiter and more power efficient than a GTX 480. Will it make a difference for you in FSX? Yes, but it won't be mind blowing. It should help smooth things out and give you an extra couple FPS here or there. Main benefit will be less FPS drop in clouds assuming you're running some decent AA levels.

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FSX is CPU limited. You will get little to no improvement. Look for the benchmarking article by Doug Horton.

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You won't gain any frame rates going from gtx 480 to gtx 760.

 

I'll tell you tomorrow.

 

I had to buy a new card. My GTX 580 is being put aside for another rig.

 

Went for an EVGA GTX 770 super clocked 4 GB.

 

If I gain nothing in FSX it's no big deal, as I needed a new card anyway. And I don't just play FSX, I play games too.

 

So we will see. I'll test the GTX 580 today, and compare with the 770 when it arrives tomorrow.

 

Should be interesting.

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:biggrin:

 

As I said less than 3 hours ago...

 

It arrives tomorrow.

 

I'll be sure to give you a full report then.

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This is for my old card. New one arrives in half an hour.

 

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Old GTX 580 i7 3770K at 4.5

 

PMDG 737 NGX

FSX EGLL 27L

FSX Grey and Rainy weather scenario

 

With frame rate unlocked

 

FSX tweaks:

 

UsePools=0

AffinityMask=14

HIGHMEMFIX=1

 

8XS Combined VC 45

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 41 artefacts outside view with BP=0

 

8XSQ Combined VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 44

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 42 artefacts outside view with BP=0

 

 

 

Battlefield 3 Strike at Karkland

 

Frame rate ranged from 47 - 78. Most of the time at 65.

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Okay chaps, this is the result...

 

Scenario is PMDG 737, at EGLL runway 27L. Weather is FSX grey and rainy.

Frame rate is set to unlimited.

I'm using BP=0, AF=14 and of course HIGHMEMFIX.

 

I should mention, with frame rate unlimited, some scenarios result in artefacts when panning in an outside view, due to the massive amount of data the GTX 580 has to deal with as a result of BP=0.

 

GTX 580

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 41 artefacts outside view, when panning.

 

8XSQ Combined VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 44

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 42 artefacts outside view when panning.

 

BF3 Strike at Karkland. 47-78, mostly 65.

 

 

 

New EVGA GTX 770. 4 GB Duel BIOS.

 

8XS Combined VC 45

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 47

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 45 No artefacts with the GTX 770. Due to the 4 GB memory perhaps.

 

8XSQ Combined VC 46

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 46 artefacts outside view when panning.

 

 

BF3 Strike at Karkland. 96-120 Mostly 105. :Shocked: 

 

So...

 

3 or 4% increase in performance without SGSS. And 10% increase in performance with SGSS.

 

BF3 an astonishing 90% increase in performance!

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Okay chaps, this is the result...

 

Scenario is PMDG 737, at EGLL runway 27L. Weather is FSX grey and rainy.

Frame rate is set to unlimited.

I'm using BP=0, AF=14 and of course HIGHMEMFIX.

 

I should mention, with frame rate unlimited, some scenarios result in artefacts when panning in an outside view, due to the massive amount of data the GTX 580 has to deal with as a result of BP=0.

 

GTX 580

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 41 artefacts outside view, when panning.

 

8XSQ Combined VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 44

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 42 artefacts outside view when panning.

 

BF3 Strike at Karkland. 47-78, mostly 65.

 

 

 

New EVGA GTX 770. 4 GB Duel BIOS.

 

8XS Combined VC 45

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 47

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 45 No artefacts with the GTX 770. Due to the 4 GB memory perhaps.

 

8XSQ Combined VC 46

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 46 artefacts outside view when panning.

 

 

BF3 Strike at Karkland. 96-120 Mostly 105. :Shocked:

 

So...

 

3 or 4% increase in performance without SGSS. And 10% increase in performance with SGSS.

 

BF3 an astonishing 90% increase in performance!

Hey thanks for those results it makes thinking about cards a lot easier when you see other peoples experiences. The GTX 770 is it good card and basically a respin of the 680 which was a beast in its own right.

 

Can you do an extended flight at 4xSGSS and tell me how that goes something like an hour to an hour and a half in that weather scenario you described. What was it called grey and raining?

 

Or could I send you a custom weather scenario? How do I extract that from FSX? I ask because I have a few custom saved ones that were created by opus that I really like.

 

C.

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Okay chaps, this is the result...

 

Scenario is PMDG 737, at EGLL runway 27L. Weather is FSX grey and rainy.

Frame rate is set to unlimited.

I'm using BP=0, AF=14 and of course HIGHMEMFIX.

 

I should mention, with frame rate unlimited, some scenarios result in artefacts when panning in an outside view, due to the massive amount of data the GTX 580 has to deal with as a result of BP=0.

 

GTX 580

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 41 artefacts outside view, when panning.

 

8XSQ Combined VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 44

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 42 artefacts outside view when panning.

 

BF3 Strike at Karkland. 47-78, mostly 65.

 

 

 

New EVGA GTX 770. 4 GB Duel BIOS.

 

8XS Combined VC 45

 

8XS Combined 2 x SGSS VC 47

 

8XS Combined 4 x SGSS VC 45 No artefacts with the GTX 770. Due to the 4 GB memory perhaps.

 

8XSQ Combined VC 46

 

8XSQ Combined 2 x SGSS VC 45

 

8XSQ Combined 4 x SGSS VC 46 artefacts outside view when panning.

 

 

BF3 Strike at Karkland. 96-120 Mostly 105. :Shocked: 

 

So...

 

3 or 4% increase in performance without SGSS. And 10% increase in performance with SGSS.

 

BF3 an astonishing 90% increase in performance!

hello . are you using vsync in these tests ? 

cheers

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Yes I am using V-Sync, however I have a 120 Hz monitor.

 

So not near 120 frames per second, so i could get away with V-Sync off without fear of tearing.

 

Something I'll try perhaps tomorrow.

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Yes I am using V-Sync, however I have a 120 Hz monitor.

 

So not near 120 frames per second, so i could get away with V-Sync off without fear of tearing.

 

Something I'll try perhaps tomorrow.

 

Vertical tearing happens no matter what speed your monitor is. If you have trackIr, it can be really apparent as you pan left and right. But then again. I have not had more than 75Hz for a long time so I could be talking our of my arse.

 

But without vsync, tearing will happen no matter what my fps are.

 

Charles.

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I can report the same improvements for FSX with my new GTX 760 4GB dual bios, it will self OC to 1250mhz. Good powerful GPU.

 

I have 30FPS locked now everywhere, but very high stutter with PMDG 777, I don't know why, I hope PMDG will optimize this great plane.

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PMDG 777 overcast 1024x1024 clouds 30FPS locked min 28-29

 

Here is a picture from my sim, bad weather, overcast. It's from my facebook page that's why it's pixelated. 

I use 8XS Combined 4 x SGSS

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Vertical tearing happens no matter what speed your monitor is. If you have trackIr, it can be really apparent as you pan left and right. But then again. I have not had more than 75Hz for a long time so I could be talking our of my arse.

 

But without vsync, tearing will happen no matter what my fps are.

 

Charles.

 

I'm not an expert on VSync either. The way I understand tearing, in regard to VSync, is that it occurs more commonly when your frame rate exceeds you monitors refresh rate. Given that my refresh rate is 120 Hz, I would see no/minimal tearing below 120 FPS. I have tried briefly without VSync a while back, and didn't see any tearing as I recall.

 

I mean it is well known, that one way to reduce tearing with Vsync off, is to increase graphical settings so as to reduce frame rate, lower than refresh rate.

 

Anyway, I will try it later and let you know.

 

I'm sure you're probably right. It's not something I've researched.

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