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How come there's no trial mode for PFPX?

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I would like to try this out before I buy, but it's a shame that there's no trial mode. At $50 it's quite expensive.

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Because trial modes of full products are hard to program and rarely worth it.

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Its well worth the 50 bucks if you do longer flights.

Why is it worth it? I currently use EFB and design my flight plans online. How does PFPX add to the experience? 

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EFB and PFPX have nothing to do with each other ... one is a chart tool, other one is a flight planner/dispatcher.

 

PFPX is a really good program - when the aircrafts are included, of course.

But the main important are: 777, 737, Dash8 ...

 

The best thing is, you could do many things automated, so you have with 6 or 7 clicks a complete dispatch sheet: route, payload, fuel, winds, alternates, flightlevel ... all.

But you could also tweak your plan at any stage of course.

 

In addition with TOPCAT it is a must have.

 

 

 

BUT: important is, that it is fun for you to do a bit realistic flights. So, not always 100% fuel and CI 100. If it is fun for you to loadout a 777 and see on the other side of the atlantic that you have exact the amount of fuel left you wanted to, then, PFPX is a must have.

For simple flightplaning alone, there are enough other (freeware) tools out ...

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I agree with Guenter, EFB and flight planners should be looked at separately.

 

The competition to PFPX could be software like Flight Sim Commander, FSBuild or any other soft focusing on producing valid routes and allowing for at least partial fuel calcs. So far, I'd say that PFPX delivers the deeper (and more expensive) package, but I don't have the feeling that I've already explored everything.

 

Well, there's a free alternative in place which comes very close. That's the Simbrief site, which would only need a current code from your Navigraph subscription (a thing you might already be running for your planes) to become current. If you don't enter such a code, you can still plan of course. But then with 2011 data.

 

I would have applauded to a trial period in PFPX as the price indeed is an item being able to keep some customers out as long as they don't see how versatile the tool really is. And that impression only comes from using it in my eyes.

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Can PFPX make a complete flight plan for me if I enter just the departing and arriving airports? I want it to calculate everything including the SID/STARS, fixes, waypoints along the routes and also the exact runways i will take off and land at. I fly the PMDG 777 mostly and if it can do this, then it is worth the $56 in my eyes. But before I hit buy, I want to know if thats possible to make quick flight plans in under a minute, save it out to PMDG 777 format, load up FSX, select plane and load up flightplan from the FMC, and hit activate, and start flying right away?

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Yes... to all!

and you have the amount of fuel you have to load based on your payload and route.

Flightplan could be exported to several addons and tools, also to PMDG. Just load that route then as company route in your 777 FMC

 

 

EDIT: by design you have to manually enter the SID and STARs into the FMC. But that is something you have to do with every planner and every addon of course. But PFPX gives you active runways and SID/STARs of course.

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Yes... to all!

and you have the amount of fuel you have to load based on your payload and route.

Flightplan could be exported to several addons and tools, also to PMDG. Just load that route then as company route in your 777 FMC

 

 

EDIT: by design you have to manually enter the SID and STARs into the FMC. But that is something you have to do with every planner and every addon of course. But PFPX gives you active runways and SID/STARs of course.

I could see the value in this if it figures everything out for you very quickly vs spending 15-20 minutes doing a flight plan. Do you also need to have TopCat to make it worthwhile? I may buy one program but if I have to buy two to get the full benefit I think I will pass until there is a sale. 

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Do you also need to have TopCat to make it worthwhile?

 

No, you don't. But TOPCAT gives you suggested values for TO thrust, flap settings, etc. Right now for the T7 I'm using a freeware program called UTOPIA which calculates TO performance. In my opinion, PFPX stands out enough to warrant buying, especially if you do long-hauls. Very powerful tool that once you get used to using it, is invaluable. Producing an OFP and exporting it to the relevant programs you use is very easy and fast. I love it. You can copy and paste a route from FlightAware or have PFPX generate a route that takes in to account SIDS/STARS (based on winds and rwy use), all the current oceanic routes, polar routes, fuel consumption, etc.

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I too would suggest PFPX to anyone wanting to get it.

 

It is quite simple, yet very robust.

 

It does do auto routing for you and you can manually add a route.For example, with my North American flights I just copy and paste the routes from Flight Aware and print off my dispatch sheet (takes all of two minutes). It has my fuel load, my winds and wind charts.

 

Go fly....

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I too would suggest PFPX to anyone wanting to get it.

 

It is quite simple, yet very robust.

 

It does do auto routing for you and you can manually add a route.For example, with my North American flights I just copy and paste the routes from Flight Aware and print off my dispatch sheet (takes all of two minutes). It has my fuel load, my winds and wind charts.

 

Go fly....

Where does it get the weather from? Can I use it with Opus? Will I be able to run the flight plan it created in EFB and Vox ATC?

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Where does it get the weather from?

 

Through its own server, Active Sky, REX, and FS global wx.

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Will I be able to run the flight plan it created in EFB and Vox ATC?

 

EFB could import FSX plans, meaning you export the PFPX plan as FSX plan and import it then.

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Because trial modes of full products are hard to program and rarely worth it.

Jim,

 

EFB (similarly priced) has a months free trial and Project Magenta allows you to fly in the KLAX / KSFO area for an unlimited time. Surely a time-limited feature would be feasible for quite an expensive piece of software?

 

I've just searched for reviews and the only ones I can find are video clips on YouTube. Those hardly give a potential buyer a decent objective analysis of the product. And with no refunds allowed how is it possible to make a decent judgement call on what appears to be a good product but if it doesn't suit you then it's fifty dollars down the drain.

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Can PFPX make a complete flight plan for me if I enter just the departing and arriving airports? I want it to calculate everything[...]

I don't doubt that it will put out 'some' flight plan, and some ETOPS planning, but I usually look over the results. Also enables you to learn about the background and develop a feel for it. Sometimes everything validates ok while, on other occasions, I wonder why it e.g. goes for very large DCT distances instead of using the airways in between.

 

The runway selection usually is weather influenced but won't be worth much if you land six hours later or if there also is a terrain factor in place. The latter may not affect typical 777-ish airports but I closely look over that 'auto' element when flying the Q400 for example.

 

Honestly, if it's just about flying some pre-set and automated flight plans, PFPX may be too much of a muchness. Why not look up common routes on free websites or use equally free planners instead when just connecting some major hubs?

 

PFPX surely develops some charm due to offering all planning resources at one spot and program, then allowing for proper reviews. But pressing three auto buttons and flying it regardless of the validity sort of contradicts the purpose of the software.

 

I'm with Ray by the way. A 30 day trial or something would be nice. Seems like it checks its status with every start. :mellow:

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IMHO it's a common sense FACT that demos/trials reduce piracy.

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I do wonder about one thing....

 

I love PFPX I use it every flight. But there is something I don't get.

 

I can go to EuroFPL.eu and get a real world flight plan that has no errors etc. it's validated by CFMU or whatever it's called, the same validation that PFPX uses. So my question is, why does PFPX not find a route with no problems? It's not hard to change it when it's a short route, but for the longer ones I go to EuroFPL and copy and paste the route, doesn't that defeat the purpose of autoroute?

 

I don't get that every flight, but most of the time. Only in Europe obviously.

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I would like to try this out before I buy, but it's a shame that there's no trial mode. At $50 it's quite expensive.

 

That would be good than maybe pmdg  can give  trial modes for their aircraft to see if we like it  before we buy :P   since they cost  abit more

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Through its own server, Active Sky, REX, and FS global wx.

So it won't work with Opus? 

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You mean when processing real-time flights? I agree. But I like that one can let the weather program setup older data, which then gets read by 'pffft'. So you can plan a bit in the past. Works fine so far with REX and FSGRW. :smile:

 

Made me think about not prolonging that data subscription by the way. Tracks can be added manually, weather comes from the weather programs and only NOTAMs would be missed. Sort of, I actually look at them for entertaining purposes only. My airport lights and navaids always work and the construction workers never show up in FSX.

 

I've added the link to the Opus statement above. And there's a new hotfix out, just in case. http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/74138-pfpx-1094-hotfix-available/

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Jim,

 

EFB (similarly priced) has a months free trial and Project Magenta allows you to fly in the KLAX / KSFO area for an unlimited time. Surely a time-limited feature would be feasible for quite an expensive piece of software?

 

I've just searched for reviews and the only ones I can find are video clips on YouTube. Those hardly give a potential buyer a decent objective analysis of the product. And with no refunds allowed how is it possible to make a decent judgement call on what appears to be a good product but if it doesn't suit you then it's fifty dollars down the drain.

Have you ever tried to program a full version trial program that is secure enough NOT to be hacked into a registered version?

 

1. Read the product features and see if they are a fit for you.

 

2. Read user reviews.

 

3. Wait until web site reviews get written.

 

4. Ever wonder why PMDG doesn't offer trail versions?

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Honestly, if it's just about flying some pre-set and automated flight plans, PFPX may be too much of a muchness. Why not look up common routes on free websites or use equally free planners instead when just connecting some major hubs?

 

I have done that already in the past, but what I am looking for is a way for it to automatically detect the runway that I need to take off and arrive from by determining the SID/STAR is used in the flight plan it uses. You can't do this by going online to like flightaware.com, etc, and paste the route. It's missing the runway part that I find extremely frustrating. There's many times when I do my flight planning manually and then during take off I don't know which SID or transition to use based on the runway I have selected and upon lift off I find that my plane is going in different paths and some times even missing the 1st waypoint entirely because I chose a wrong SID, and the same thing goes for STAR. I know which runway I want to land at, but I don't know which STAR to use that will take me directly to that runway from my last waypoint in the flight plan. I just want a flight planner that calculates everything out for me so that I wouldn't have to spend all that time trying to figure out what SID/STAR I need to use for the runway that I want to depart/arrive at.

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