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OK i checked their website.

 

1. I don't see any help forum, looks like you have to send an email if you have questions, issues?

2. No features are detailed, just one photo.  I have RXP and am wondering is this puppy better?

3. There is no installation module like RXP, you have to individually code each panel?  Not very useful.

4. No video, not screenshots...kinda weak marketing?

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OK i checked their website.

 

1. I don't see any help forum, looks like you have to send an email if you have questions, issues?

2. No features are detailed, just one photo.  I have RXP and am wondering is this puppy better?

3. There is no installation module like RXP, you have to individually code each panel?  Not very useful.

4. No video, not screenshots...kinda weak marketing?

1 - We don't run a forum because the last one got hacked and we seriously have zero time to deal with that kind of junk.  We do, however, have a strong support process via email.

2 - Depends on 'better'.  RXP is ~$400 to work in Prepar3D... or wait, does it work in Prepar3D?  RXP nav data isn't updatable, ours is.  No, we didn't make every single "bell and whistle" of the units, but there's enough to make them useful.

3 - Correct, however it's really not that hard to do.

4 - Zero marketing.  Our primary market is real-world training and as such we do not need to market.  We released this to the flight sim community because some individuals had asked for it.

 

If you don't want to purchase it, for whatever reason, that's ok... really, you won't hurt our feelings. :smile:  We just put this out there for those that might want it.

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I saw the FAQ.  As with most FAQs, not greatly of value, lots of stuff about real nav data, P3D, but I was left unclear about installation and whether or not there was a simple module to make installation as a popup window easier.

 

i just went back to the webpage and read the sidebar about the company.  A much larger business enterprise than I realized.

 

Personally I don't think forums are "junk", I find them useful but it would appear that they are not useful in the company's particular business model.  Fair enough.

 

Given the priorities identified above it may be useful to enhance the webpage to identify how flightsim fits into their business model rather than leave it to guess work. IE a simple message like "support is provided directly though email we do not operate a support forum." could be helpful.  A prudent investor in flightsim software addons does their research into products before buying, especially when there is no return policy. It is hard to do research into a product when there is limited info about the product.

 

Before I invest another $50 I would like to see more detail. The price point seems to be reasonable and the compatibility with P3Dv2 users is a plus for those users. I guess I will wait until some other users who have more ability to buy products that me and post info or reviews on the active flightsim forums.  IE I am unclear about what "enough to make them useful" actually means.

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Our primary market is real-world training and as such we do not need to market.

 

Real world training of what, I wonder? Of that GNS? Isn't there a site of that real world training program? It seems to me that for real world training you also have to market?

 

Just curious. ^_^

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I can report that the installer program is really slick. It automatically detected that I had FS9, FSX, P3Dv1.4, and P3Dv2 installed, and installed the system to all four platforms. He%20He.gif

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Can someone please post a screenshot of the GNS in action on the real air lancair legacy in P3D v2? Just want to see how it compares to the RXP one.

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Real world training of what, I wonder? Of that GNS? Isn't there a site of that real world training program? It seems to me that for real world training you also have to market?

 

Just curious. ^_^

Of how to fly. Primary platform: Redbird AATDs. Marketing: Redbird.

 

As I stated, we don't have to market. This is not something you install on your desktop which apparently is what you think it might be... or something.

 

Regarding panel installation:

http://www.mindstaraviation.com/RetrofittingGaugesGNS.html

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I have Abacus Custom Panel Designer which I haven't used in a ton of time, but I suspect that I could use it to place and size this gauge into panels of my choice.  This would eliminate the trial and error on size and location that would suit each panel.

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A2A Cessna 172 with Mindstar GNS 430:

 

A2AC172_MS430_zpsff64489c.jpg

 

 

A2A Cessna 172 with MS GNS 530:

 

A2AC172_MS530_zps32e62954.jpg

 

 

MilViz C310:

 

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Aerosoft Twin Otter:

 

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RedBird full motion simulator at local flight school:

 

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Todd

 

I can report that the installer program is really slick. It automatically detected that I had FS9, FSX, P3Dv1.4, and P3Dv2 installed, and installed the system to all four platforms. He%20He.gif

 

 

Says who?   B)

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twharrell thanks for the pics, how come on the otter the gauge is shown as a popup and on the others its a part of the virtual cockpit? If it could be implemented into the vc on all planes, then I may consider buying this. Are you running P3D v2 btw? 

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Real world training of what, I wonder? Of that GNS? Isn't there a site of that real world training program? It seems to me that for real world training you also have to market?

 

I believe Mindstar can be found in Redbird Simulators.  My company just bought a Redbird Simulator for just over $1 Million USD so I'm going with Mindstar is professional grade.

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Thanks for the photos Todd, looks very good.

 

I have a friend who integrated the RXP into the Twin Otter, so I imagine it can be done with the Mindstar.

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Is there a chance that you guys post the settings/config files for all the successful integrations?

 

If it works in the Twotter, Miliz C310, A2A C172 and Civ P-51D with the next update, and the Realair Dukes, I think that's the critical mass for me.

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Todd,

 

Is it possible to integrate a 530 and a 430 or even better 2 x 530s into the A2A Cessna 172? That is a great feature of the RealAir Dukes.

 

Also, with 1 or 2 GNS units does the 172 lose other instruments e.g. the ADF or radios?

 

Many thanks,

Simon.

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Want to know if its possible to integrate 2 GNS 530 into the real air lancair legacy? I have this setup using RXP in FSX without any problems and would like to know if its possible with Mindstar GNS. Not a pop up but to actually have it mounted to the vc and look like it belongs there.

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This discussion is a perfect example of why I mentioned no forum support...So we have turned to Avsim, the grand daddy of all forum support site to get answers to questions.

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This discussion is a perfect example of why I mentioned no forum support...So we have turned to Avsim, the grand daddy of all forum support site to get answers to questions.

It would only take someone asking to have Tom create a forum just for Mindstar products. They wouldn't even have to moderate it, since there are plenty of us "Global Moderators" to keep an eye on it. ;)

Want to know if its possible to integrate 2 GNS 530 into the real air lancair legacy? I have this setup using RXP in FSX without any problems and would like to know if its possible with Mindstar GNS. Not a pop up but to actually have it mounted to the vc and look like it belongs there.

If it will take RXP, then yes it would indeed be possible! They are the same size after all... He%20He.gif

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I heard it wasn't possible to integrate the mindstar gns into the vc of the real air lancair due to the way the vc was coded?

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I heard it wasn't possible to integrate the mindstar gns into the vc of the real air lancair due to the way the vc was coded?

I don't own the product myself, but wherever you see RXP... whatever, you should be able to simply replace it with:

MPI_GNS!GNS530

or

MPI_GNS!GNS430

 

the same x,y,w,h values should be used of course, and add the required 5th parameters at the end.

Says who?   B)

Er, I haven't looked at FS9 for so long. Sure enough it installed there too. I've taken the liberty of erasing my humiliation...

 

...lovely thing being a moderator!

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Lots of questions about VC integration.  Here's the big picture: Bill is correct in saying if RXP works, Mindstar should work by just making the necessary substitutions in the panel.cfg file. Do understand, however, this isn't always the case with every developer. Some developers, like RealAir, have designed their VC specifically for the RXP units. I emailed them about that and they were respectfully adamant the Mindstar gauges will not work. So, with RealAir, you are left with a 2D option only at this time. But, perhaps if enough customers email the RealAir guys requesting Mindstar compatibility, they would listen. They did suggest that in their reply to my emails. So, it's up to all of you to make it known to them you want it. I would love it if the Turbine Duke allowed VC integration.

 

Regarding the Twin Otter, I want to make sure we are talking about the same version. You cannot integrate the Mindstar or RXP units into the VC of the extended version. I believe you can in the older version. If someone has figured out how to make RXP work in the Extended Otter VC, I'd like to see it. That would be a good thing, because I couldn't do it. I PM'd the Aerosoft guys and was told they would not be supporting 3rd party avionics from now on. Period. Again, maybe we customers can change their minds.

 

I don't know how well the GNS 53o or 430 fits in the MilViz B55, as I don't have it. Maybe Bill can chime in about that.  In the C310, the gauges almost fit, but almost means the knobs and buttons don't align so you have to open the 2D to use the knobs and buttons. I would assume the same issue exists in the B55. Bill said in another thread that he would look at adjusting the VC gauge dimensions at some point, when and if time allows. But none of us want that to interfere with the progress of that sexy KA 350 now would we? B)

 

The A2A cessna 172 only gives you the option to use either the GNS 430 or 530, but not both.

 

Eric, since P3D1.4 and 2 do not have a default C172, the gauges aren't installed in any aircraft. Migrate to your Program Files (x86)/Mindstar/Flight Sim Addons folder and you will see a series of zipped folders of default MSFS aircraft. Unzip the C172gns.zip and look at the panel.cfg file to get a good idea on how to edit the panel.cfg file of any aircraft you have.

 

Todd

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I copied this post I made from a similar discussion on the FSX forums, if anyone is interested:

 

 

 

A quick how-to and the 5th parameter

 

As you study the panel.cfg file of the default C172 contained in the Mindstar folder, you notice the 5th parameter entry that comes after the 4 coordinates of the Mindstar GNS entry.  Let's say you have an aircraft that you can integrate both a 530 and 430 into both the VC and as a 2D popup window. The 5th parameter should read like this:

 

[virtual cockpit.x]

3-4 lines of stuff here

 

MSI_GNS!GNS530, w,x,y,z, 1:1:-1

MSI_GNS!GNS430, w,x,y,z, 2:1:-1

 

[window.x]

ident=y or GPS_PANEL

 

MSI_GNS!GNS530, a,b,c,d, 1:2:y (or if ident=GPS_PANEL, then y=225, which is the standard code for GPS_PANEL)

MSI_GNS!GNS430, a,b,c,d, 2:2:y

 

So, the fifth parameter is the 3 numbers separated by colons. The first number is the priority of that gauge in the panel.cfg file. If you want the 530 to be your GPS#1 then that first number should be 1, just like in the above example. So, that means in the above example, I have the 430 as my GPS#2. The second number of the 5th parameter is the instance of that gauge in the panel.cfg file. Important note here: if you have both a VC and a 2D instance of either gauge, the VC entry will almost always be '1' and the 2D entry will almost always be '2'.  Finally, the 3rd number of the 5th parameter. For VC entries, this is always '-1'.  For the 2D entry, the third number should equal the number following ident=... If you see ident=GPS_PANEL then the third number is 225.

 

Hopefully this helps folks get started. It really is straight forward once you look over that C172 panel.cfg file.

 

 

Todd

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