if you fly one into a mountain it will sure break into a lot smaller pieces than it does in GTA V.

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That's fairly obvious -what with tens of thousands of aircraft parts and bits of luggage and passengers' body parts - I doubt if any game software would simulate that level of detail, or would even need to.

 

Totally unrealistic damage model isn't much better than no damage modelling at all if you ask me.

 

I don't get your logic. GTA-5 doesn't have 'totally' unrealistic damage modelling, in fact its quite good across planes, trains, cars and even people, considering its arcade-game pedigree. .

 

No modding or other creativity typical to many modern day PC game titles. Maybe boring is better word than silly.

 

Boredom is subjective and is the result of a discontented mind. Someone playing Hard Rain on Ps3, for example, might enjoy it and find it an intellectual challenge, while another person may not.

 

The lack of modding in PS/Xbox consoles is just the way it is. They aren't designed to be modded but instead provide other advantages such as stable gameplay.

 

...But even then , damage modelling in GTA's realworld environment is pretty amazing..

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GTA's real-world (time-lapse)..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnM26lPOJCs

 

I have the Alabeo Tomahawk on both platforms, and both fly and feel differently. Neither feel real and react like the real thing (I did my lessons in this aircraft). Closest we have, IMO, is AeroflyFS, and even then most stuff isn't modelled. In AeroflyFS you can take the Cessna up to 35,000ft :-)

 

Does Aerofly have the Tomahawk ? Which Cessna ? It would depend on the model.  We need more aircrafts tested, similar aircrafts in all the three of them.

 

 

I don't get your logic. GTA-5 doesn't have 'totally' unrealistic damage modelling, in fact its quite good across planes, trains, cars and even people, considering its arcade-game pedigree. .

 

Well at least in some videos I've watched people seem to just go around crashing cars quite a lot without any major damage while in GTA IV the cars received major damage from bad impacts.

 

Something that would actually be interesting to me is simulation of in flight damage and how it affects the flight performance of an aircraft, like what can be found from sims like Il-1946. 

Dcs does a very good job of that, as well as War Thunder and Rise of Flight. Even in Aerofly you can snap your wings off or collapse the undercarriage.......

Well at least in some videos I've watched people seem to just go around crashing cars quite a lot without any major damage while in GTA IV the cars received major damage from bad impacts.

 

Something that would actually be interesting to me is simulation of in flight damage and how it affects the flight performance of an aircraft, like what can be found from sims like Il-1946. 

 

Agreed. Car damage in GTA-5  vs V4 is different. But in the PC versions that's obviously just a matter of altering .cfg files.

 

Regarding your interest in crash damage affecting aircraft handling.

Check this one out. 

 

Water intake causes engine damage and stall.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U48vRF2XVRc

 

Both.  After all, what good is a flight simulator that brings up a static 'crash' scene whenever the 'pilot' clips his wing on a building, lamppost or a passing plane etc. Or worse -his plane simply passes straight through trees, buildings and cars etc. 

GTA-5 crash-damage isn't 100%, but at least wings and landing gear etc break off during a crash.

 

BTW. In real life, passenger planes are also designed to break up at "pre-determined points".

 

 

Just Cause 2 is pretty old now but was a good enough game on PC, sure.  I haven't tried it on console. but its hardly a real-world environment like GTA-5 is. 

 

I never ever considered consoles to be 'silly'. Please explain why they are 'silly'.  I personally don't own one myself but have tried them and they are good for what they do, and very popular. I'm personally into PCs myself and am a long-time flight-simmer.  But I give GTA5 its due for looking and flying so well on a console.  If the PC version is released then it will obviously look and handle much better, plus modders will have a field day with the planes and copters etc.

 

GTA 5 takeoff and land -LearJet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAzD4Mpieh0&list=UUikOubtkhUdSAEps-n59LMA&feature=c4-overview

 

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Holy cow! Those last two are what flight simming is about eye-candy wise!

Holy cow! Those last two are what flight simming is about eye-candy wise!

 

Yes, but don't expect such good graphics in the current console version of GTA-5 as those screens were mostly taken from Rockstar's gaming computers.

 Even in Aerofly you can snap your wings off or collapse the undercarriage.......

 

Yes its not bad, but a bit basic -a bit like a plastic toy breaking up. But what gets me about Aerofly is the total lack of any kind of real-world environment or Ai planes and traffic etc.  Its just you, the plane, and the clouds. All else is eerie silence in that sterile world.......

 

AeroFly FS

 

 

GTA-5

Noob suicide flier......

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Yes its not bad, but a bit basic -a bit like a plastic toy breaking up. But what gets me about Aerofly is the total lack of any kind of real-world environment or Ai planes and traffic etc.  Its just you, the plane, and the clouds. All else is eerie silence in that sterile world.......

 

I think in the end, that's all we are really saying. Flight simming has spent a long lonely while in the graphics badlands, and in the interim everyone else has moved ahead and is creating whole intricate worlds. For me, its all a part of the same thing; planes are nothing without a world to fly them in, and if possible, that world should have as much detail and reality as the planes themselves (within technical reason)

 

Going that extra mile creates the dividing line between a technical exercise, and an experience.

 

Flight simming has spent a long lonely while in the graphics badlands, and in the interim everyone else has moved ahead and is creating whole intricate worlds.

 

Except that the budget of "anyone else" (read: skyrim, GTA, etc.) is probably 100x that of a typical civil flight sim (X-Plane, Aerofly FS), given the difference in sales numbers (20-25 millions for those two titles).

 

Even combat flight sims sell a lot more copies than civil flight sims, with a notable exception: the MSFS franchise. But MSFS had very little competition during its last two iteractions (FS9, FSX) and hence only bland pressure to improve in the visual area.

 

"War Thunder" already surpassed one million players, one years ago. I'm pretty sure sales numbers of civil flight sims like X-Plane and Aerofly FS are much less than one million.

Except that the budget of "anyone else" (read: skyrim, GTA, etc.) is probably 100x that of a typical civil flight sim (X-Plane, Aerofly FS), given the difference in sales numbers (20-25 millions for those two titles).

 

Even combat flight sims sell a lot more copies than civil flight sims, with a notable exception: the MSFS franchise. But MSFS had very little competition during its last two iteractions (FS9, FSX) and hence only bland pressure to improve in the visual area.

 

"War Thunder" already surpassed one million players, one years ago. I'm pretty sure sales numbers of civil flight sims like X-Plane and Aerofly FS are much less than one million.

 

Which doesn't mean more can't be done. To me its at least partly a chicken and egg situation. You won't get more people until the sims become more accessible, and many seem opposed to "dumbing down" any part of a sim, or "wasting" resources on tutorial levels or anything not brimming with "True sim" complexity.

 

Impasse.

 

Which War Thunder side stepped by being willing to provide a gradual learning path, which now has many "non-simmers" studying hard to learn how to control their planes in increasingly harder and more sophisticated scenarios.

 

It might be expected that some of the more than 5 Million people playing War thunder might eventually cast their eyes in this direction....... but when they do, they will probably find sims with relatively primitive artwork and supporting effects, noncompetitive frame rates and essentially a hobby centered around life support of a sim created in 2006.

 

Some will still go for it, but I suspect not in spectacular numbers.

 

Impasse.

 

Train simulator could have found itself in the same situation, but they aggressively pursued a broader market, and with those development dollars are expanding into other types of simulation. It would be quite ironic if they became the next big flightsim, one day.

 

Heres to Dovetail Games! http://www.dovetailgames.com/about

Talking of which, is today going to be the day Rockstar confirm the PC version? If so I'll have to prepare how to explain to my young daughter the dip in parenting performance she should expect later this year.

Talking of which, is today going to be the day Rockstar confirm the PC version? If so I'll have to prepare how to explain to my young daughter the dip in parenting performance she should expect later this year.

Preorders are supposed to start tomorrow, I think.........

Preorders are supposed to start tomorrow, I think.........

 

Yeah, lots of rumours about Scandinavian distributors confirming preorders will start but nothing from the horses mouth yet.

 

 

..planes are nothing without a world to fly them in, and if possible, that world should have as much detail and reality as the planes themselves (within technical reason)

 

I totally agree.

Having spent 10 years 'flying' around MS-FS's virtual landscapes and becoming more and more frustrated by the scenery and lack of realworld realism, GTA-5 has come as a breath of fresh air. 

 

I reckon the GTA series is the strongest contender for the flightsim I've been looking for all these years. It may take a few more years of releases and modding until proper cockpits and instruments are available, but I don't think its far off now.  

 

My ideal flightsim would have GTA's realworld environment -only larger, plus Aerofly-FS's aircraft and instruments, only better.

 

Just for fun....

 

For those who want to fly in decent looking scenery Arma series might be something to look at too... At least for Arma 2 there are many civilian airliner mods and it also includes civilian Antonov AN-2, it even includes manual use of flaps. Of course there are also many military aircraft. The flight model is relatively good, better than in GTA at least.