January 13, 201412 yr Landings at wrong airports are unfortunately not too uncommon. But in most cases the airports are not only close together, but also of similar size. But a 737 on a 3,700 foot long runway? http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/travel/southwest-plane-wrong-airport/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
January 13, 201412 yr With an FMC programmed with downloaded data from the airline's routing system I can't for the life of me figure out how this could still happen. All one has to do is look at their ND screen and fly the proper approach to the runway. There's too much information in the cockpit as well as air traffic control where mistakes like this shouldn't happen... FS2020 Alienware Aurora R11 10th Gen Intel Core i7 10700F - Windows 11 Home 32GB Ram NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB - Pimax Crystal Light VR
January 13, 201412 yr I was going to ask the same question. I'm assuming it was a "visual" approach, but regardless, if your FMC was programmed with the approach and/or runway, how could this happen? Wouldn't this be SOP at any airline? And the plane was equipped with the HUGS - wouldn't that make it even more improbable? Brian Johnson i9-9900K (OC 5.0), ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero Z390, Nvidia 2080Ti, 32 GB Corsair Vengeance 3000MHz, OS on Samsung 860 EVO 1TB M.2, P3D on SanDisk Ultra 3D NAND 2TB SSD
January 13, 201412 yr And the plane was equipped with the HUGS - wouldn't that make it even more improbable? HUGS??? FS2020 Alienware Aurora R11 10th Gen Intel Core i7 10700F - Windows 11 Home 32GB Ram NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB - Pimax Crystal Light VR
January 13, 201412 yr Author If he meant Heads-Up Guidance System then I believe the acronym is just HGS. I do wonder how the cockpit was equipped. Would be interesting to see. Not all are the same, and there could be significant variances due to age of the aircraft and/or its last complete makeover. If you have ever been to Branson you understand it is a pretty low pax volume route, so the 737 used was likely not the same as you would find on an LAX to ORD flight. Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
January 13, 201412 yr Correct, HGS. I could remember the acronym for the HUD. I stand in the corner, shamed by my woeful ignorance. Speaking of which, I did think that all SW 737's were equipped with HGS, and I believe this was a 737-700.http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303338304575155813404043090 Brian Johnson i9-9900K (OC 5.0), ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero Z390, Nvidia 2080Ti, 32 GB Corsair Vengeance 3000MHz, OS on Samsung 860 EVO 1TB M.2, P3D on SanDisk Ultra 3D NAND 2TB SSD
January 13, 201412 yr With an FMC programmed with downloaded data from the airline's routing system I can't for the life of me figure out how this could still happen. All one has to do is look at their ND screen and fly the proper approach to the runway. There's too much information in the cockpit as well as air traffic control where mistakes like this shouldn't happen... The ND may not have been in Map mode. Makes sense if they were on a Visual approach IMO, .
January 13, 201412 yr But a 737 on a 3,700 foot long runway? Ha ha I do that in FSX with the PMDG sometimes. Drop her on the numbers and bring her to a stop, good fun in the Simulator. If I was on that jet as a passenger I probably would have got a kick out of it having experienced a stop like that in a real 737. Part of the fun of the Simulator is being able to do stuff like that if you are simulating an emergency. Matthew Kane I'm Dyslexic, what's an error to you is not to me
January 13, 201412 yr Plane is about to takeoff now, but CNN cut away right before it happened to talk about chris christie. I'd rather watch the plane takeoff. heh
January 13, 201412 yr Author Here is a link to an interesting chart for what I believe is KOQU, North Kingston, Rhode Island, USA. It has one runway about the same length as what the SW 737-700 landed on in Branson. Notes at the bottom show assumptions about conditions, two of which are: no reverse thrust; and no winds. Field elevation at N. Kingston is 55 MSL compared to around 1,300 at Branson. So the just-under-5,000 ft shown on the linked chart for the 737-700 is not absolute, but relatively shows how far below safe landing distance the SW flight was. http://www.airportsites.net/MasterPlans/PVD/Final%20mp%20exhibits/CHIII/EX_III-1-9_Rwy-Length.pdf Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
January 13, 201412 yr Plane is about to takeoff now, but CNN cut away right before it happened to talk about chris christie. I'd rather watch the plane takeoff. heh Let's see if Fox News got it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ehNMdPobM FS2020 Alienware Aurora R11 10th Gen Intel Core i7 10700F - Windows 11 Home 32GB Ram NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB - Pimax Crystal Light VR
January 13, 201412 yr Southwest, if I'm not mistaken, has SOPs that involve more manual flying, especially the avoidance of auto-throttle. I'm sure this is strictly human error. LUIS LINARES Processor: Intel Core i9 6700K 9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) Eight Core; CPU Cooling: NXXT Kraken X62 280mm CPU Liquid Cooler; System Memory: 64GB Corsair DDR4 SDRAM @ 3200 MHz, RGB; Graphics Processor: 11GB Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, GDDR6, Primary Drive: 2TB Samsung 850 Pro Solid State Drive (SSD)
January 13, 201412 yr Use the FMC . Fix, airport designator and the runway bearing and distance, How can you MISS! Those who naysay theres TOO much automation. I seen a report from a former NTSB investigatoir stating SW doesnt use enough automation!
January 13, 201412 yr Author Let's see if Fox News got it... Wow! The long lens in that video, zoomed so far, makes that 737-7 look like an A380. (or is it just because of the small airport!) ( : -) And it did not appear he stood on the brakes KSNA style while boosting up! He just went! Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
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