June 19, 201411 yr FSX stress test New York City scenery haha. Good CPU and gpu stress test this is how to test wall street computers. Sure easy to fly around Fargo.
June 19, 201411 yr I get better frames with FSDT KJFK than with this one. With Ai off and no other add ons active nearby I get low 20' s with this add on - about 30 with FSDT. My frames are lower even at KWER w/ no other area airports. High teens to about 20 - that is with the BGL light option. I have a lot of cranes in the harbor near KWER with or w/o the add on - that probably has an impact. Joe Lorenc
June 19, 201411 yr I'll be interested to hear how you do with airports only. Am happy to stick with default NYC and just keep my distance from the city - much the same as in real life (said the native but now happily ex-New Yorker...) Tested the DD airports demo without either DD N.Y. City or AS Manhattan. Had solid fps throughout and some VAS to spare. So I tried some more ... This is about as far as I can get: FSX in DX9 (graphics settings fairly low, with the LOD radius 2.5 only) Aerosoft Manhattan X with the DD N.Y. airports demo (demo ONLY!) AI traffic and Flight1's Heli Traffic off In that configuration I can fly the NGX straight in onto KLGA's runway 13 (that's essentially as close to Manhattan as you can get in an airliner - right behind Central Park, with Lower Manhattan to your right; guess Alan knows that already :P). That straight-in takes me right over KTEB, another one of the DD airports (and all the other ones are well in sight, i.e. they all have been loaded into FSX). No full version of the DD airports for me, no DD N.Y. City X - and basically no AI traffic. (AI traffic seems to be what spoils frame rates the most.) What happened to AVSIM
June 20, 201411 yr Author Honestly don't waste your money! I see you have a 3770K @ 3.5GHz - if my 4770K at 4.5GHz can't run this scenery addon with a good frame rate unless you like a lot of stuttering don't bother! Thanks for that information Ciaran! I currently run FSDT KJFK, Aerosoft Manhattan and FTX Global and can manage quite reasonable frame rates in the area (high teens or more depending on what I am looking at using something like a Carenado aircraft) with a smooth performance and pretty well everything maxed out and about 50% AI traffic, although I wouldn't attempt to fly in that area using my PMDG 777 or any of my other more demanding addon aircraft! You clearly have a more powerful system than me so it is a worry that you are struggling in the area. Apart from DD New York Airports, could I ask if you have any other scenery installed in that area, such as Aerosoft Manhattan? As for me I was planning to keep my FSDT KJFK and just add the other airports and I wondered would that cause as much of a hit? Bill
June 20, 201411 yr Apart from DD New York Airports, could I ask if you have any other scenery installed in that area, such as Aerosoft Manhattan? As for me I was planning to keep my FSDT KJFK and just add the other airports and I wondered would that cause as much of a hit? Not in the New York area, but I do have FlightBeams KIAD and FSDT's Montreal, of course those area's are quite populated but they run exceptionally well in the mid twenties to roughly 30fps.
June 20, 201411 yr Author Not in the New York area, but I do have FlightBeams KIAD and FSDT's Montreal, of course those area's are quite populated but they run exceptionally well in the mid twenties to roughly 30fps. I am a bit of a scenery junkie and have every FSDT airport and also all of FlightBeams apart from KDEN (trying to control my addiction!), all of which run prettty smoothly with reasonable FPS. I think the big problem arises when you have a few fairly demanding scenery addons in the same area and obviously the DD NY Airports is just this with lots of (what sounds like fairly resource intensive) airports within a relatively small area which presumably is why your powerful system is not coping well with it despite the fact that you have no other scenery such as Manhattan. It's a terrible shame as I personally really wanted some decent quality KEWR and KLGA airport scenery but I guess I will hold fire for the moment at least. Bill Not in the New York area, but I do have FlightBeams KIAD and FSDT's Montreal, of course those area's are quite populated but they run exceptionally well in the mid twenties to roughly 30fps. I am a bit of a scenery junkie and have every FSDT airport and also all of FlightBeams apart from KDEN (trying to control my addiction!), all of which run prettty smoothly with reasonable FPS. I think the big problem arises when you have a few fairly demanding scenery addons in the same area and obviously the DD NY Airports is just this with lots of (what sounds like fairly resource intensive) airports within a relatively small area which presumably is why your powerful system is not coping well with it despite the fact that you have no other scenery such as Manhattan. It's a terrible shame as I personally really wanted some decent quality KEWR and KLGA airport scenery but I guess I will hold fire for the moment at least. Bill Not in the New York area, but I do have FlightBeams KIAD and FSDT's Montreal, of course those area's are quite populated but they run exceptionally well in the mid twenties to roughly 30fps. I am a bit of a scenery junkie and have every FSDT airport and also all of FlightBeams apart from KDEN (trying to control my addiction!), all of which run prettty smoothly with reasonable FPS. I think the big problem arises when you have a few fairly demanding scenery addons in the same area and obviously the DD NY Airports is just this with lots of (what sounds like fairly resource intensive) airports within a relatively small area which presumably is why your powerful system is not coping well with it despite the fact that you have no other scenery such as Manhattan. It's a terrible shame as I personally really wanted some decent quality KEWR and KLGA airport scenery but I guess I will hold fire for the moment at least. Bill Not in the New York area, but I do have FlightBeams KIAD and FSDT's Montreal, of course those area's are quite populated but they run exceptionally well in the mid twenties to roughly 30fps. I am a bit of a scenery junkie and have every FSDT airport and also all of FlightBeams apart from KDEN (trying to control my addiction!), all of which run prettty smoothly with reasonable FPS. I think the big problem arises when you have a few fairly demanding scenery addons in the same area and obviously the DD NY Airports is just this with lots of (what sounds like fairly resource intensive) airports within a relatively small area which presumably is why your powerful system is not coping well with it despite the fact that you have no other scenery such as Manhattan. It's a terrible shame as I personally really wanted some decent quality KEWR and KLGA airport scenery but I guess I will hold fire for the moment at least. Bill
June 20, 201411 yr I have done only standalone test (no test flight) and I found that 0% AI traffic makes a HUGE improvement in performance. Worst FPS I am getting is at night with around 7 FPS. Bilal Asif Khan
June 20, 201411 yr In that configuration I can fly the NGX straight in onto KLGA's runway 13 (that's essentially as close to Manhattan as you can get in an airliner - right behind Central Park, with Lower Manhattan to your right; guess Alan knows that already ). I do indeed. Grew up on the Upper West Side of Manhattan and went to college at Columbia (just north of Central Park on the West Side at 116th Street. Lots of years watching the River Visual to 13 at KLGA. It was especially fun at college - they'd time the turn for north of the park, which meant they were turning in right over the campus. A few of us would sit out there and critique them - how smooth the turn, when the gear came down, etc. Hey, it beat going to class... In my new digs, I get to hang out on the balcony at the Kennedy Center and do the same thing with the River Visual to 19 at KDCA. If you want to enjoy yourself, try the River Visual (no one does a straight in to 13 - that'd take you through KEWK and KTEB traffic). Start out at 3,000 at the Freedom Tower/World Trade Center site, descend slowly along the river and make your turn passing the northern border of the park. To be hand-flown only. Thanks for your tests and reports - looks like I'll be doing my KLGA approaches with default, not DD. Too bad, but I want to keep my AI, so there we are. Alan Ampolsk"Ah, Paula, they are firing at me!"-- Saint-Exupery
June 20, 201411 yr You're welcome, Alan. My straight-in was very much on the quick'n'dirty side - the correct approach strains my system even more: Went all around the Southern tip of Manhattan and up the Hudson with VAS going up and down between 3.8 and 4.0 GB. (Disabling scenery via SceneryConfigEditor could have given me about 400 MB of headroom, though.) I had AI traffic at 20%/20% with MyTraffic2010 installed - the amount of AI planes seemed rather ridiculous to me. Will try that again with sliders set to 5-10% each. But it's still Aerosoft's Manhattan X with the airliners. In order to fly the DD City I would have to revert to a GA plane. :wacko: By comparison, landing the PMDG T7 in T2G's KMCO today was a proverbial walk in the (Central) Park: fps o.k., VAS o.k., no fiddling at all ... What happened to AVSIM
June 20, 201411 yr I just bought this package and will share my thoughts. However, I'd like to point out that the fsx.cfg changes ARE listed on page 5 of the installation manual. "I am the Master of the Fist!" -Akuma
June 21, 201411 yr Has anyone tried disabling the airports other than the smaller ones? I really really want this package for those smaller two, but if it just killed performance then I guess I will have to wait a couple more years for a good Teterboro airport to be released that works with P3Dv2 William Sequeira
June 21, 201411 yr Day observations KEWR:In the 777 I was able to get my sliders where I could get 17 to 20 FPS (more if I looked at the overhead). I was running Aerosoft's Manhattan X. There's probably more I could have done but I was chasing VAS the whole time. I did not CTD, but while completing a circuit, ground textures at KEWR refused to load. In the Cessna with the Garmin I was able to fly KEWR to KLDJ to KTEB and Circle to Land 29 back at KEWR. I had very good frames (never less than 24). No OOM. I used KEWR and the three smaller airports enabled along with Manhattan X. Having lived (KEWR, KLDJ), worked (KCDW, KEWR, KTEB) and flown around (KCDW, KEWR) I do know the areas around them pretty well. I hope that the next LC from OrbX gets rid of the gratuitous tree placement. I also noticed there were some signature building in each locations. Random observations: Speaking just for KEWR, something funny is going on with the AFCAD. When pushing from 112 (Terminal C United) the plane did a weird turn and the push back was behind the wheel under the plane. Some of the SAS planes were not at the right gate.The "nosedocks" for FDX look OK at a distance, but the brown things in front of the building are "jetways" for widebodies (MD10s mostly). They are used to move AMJ type ULDs into the building. They do not sit on the ground in real life. The Marriott was nice, but the Budweiser beer plant is not present. Did not check to see if the airport 7/11 was there. The employee lot is present at the bottom of the 04s. Didn't notice the NJTPK toll boths departing on the 04s to the northeast. Also didn't check for Long term parking to the right of 29. Departing west I was able to discern Weequahic park. In the north terminal, UAL just changed it's hangar names from "Continental" to "United". Wonder if we will get an update for that. The Redbull Stadium in east Newark is not present. The Casciano (NJTPK Eastern spur) and the Pulaski were present but I think those were drawn in from OrbX. I'll try night observations tomorrow, then see what settings are required to not OOM on the PMDG 777. I'll also take mor of a look at KCDW as I did do flight training out of there. 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June 21, 201411 yr In order to fly the DD City I would have to revert to a GA plane. If I did that, I could relive one of my Hudson Corridor experiences (as a PAX). "This is what's called controlled closeness," the pilot said as the helicopter slid by about 30 feet underneath us... Of course, I'd have to have my traffic set a bit high to get that effect. Thanks to everybody for the performance reports. My personal bottom line - sounds worrisome. Trying to keep an open mind but doubtful I'll invest in this one. Alan Ampolsk"Ah, Paula, they are firing at me!"-- Saint-Exupery
June 21, 201411 yr (...) "This is what's called controlled closeness," the pilot said as the helicopter slid by about 30 feet underneath us... (...) What an airspace ... With AI traffic 5%/5%, DD City instead of AS Manhattan, heaps of scenery deactivated via SCE, I could actually fly the feelThere Phenom 100 there - still with a considerable no. of planes and 'copters around me, but with low frame rates in the 10-15 fps range. And the N.Y. airports are still the DD demo only ... I had issues with the underlying scenery, some spots indicating 'water' to FSX: My plane would suddenly jump into the air, on entering rwy 31 at LGA - just what you'd experience if you drove a wheel plane onto a lake. What happened to AVSIM
June 24, 201411 yr I solved my own issued with the PMDG 777 and VAS. I'd already disabled scenery i wasn't using, but I had to take the next step and disabled AS Manhattan X. Love the buildings, but I like flying more. Now I have over 1.2GB Vas available with MTX5.4 at 18%. Frames are in the low 20s to mid teens. Strangely enough my system sucks wind in P3D 2.2... "I am the Master of the Fist!" -Akuma
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