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X-Plane 10.3b2 has been released

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If you go into your x-Plane folder and find the x-Plane installer.exe program and run it - be sure the 'beta' tickbox is checked near the bottom of the screen, you will be asked if you want to update you 10.3b1 install.

 

One of the dev's on XPlane site commented that beta1 got out the door with some silly bugs scattered in that should never have been in the public beta release.

So if you're still flying beta release 1 of 10.3 Xplane - be aware there is now a beta 2 for you to try.  I like it.  Still missing the long-awaited horizon view at altitude enhancement (fix), but otherwise it's nifty, and the frames are GREAT. 

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I started X-Plane 10.30 last night and it asked me to update.

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Frames do indeed seem much better with .32, although heavy clouds bring them down.

 

A great thing is in lighter clouds and without OSM autogen 4xfxaa&ssaa doesn't seem to give much more of a hit than 2x, so crank that AA up boys and girls!

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hoping that if Skymaxx devs get active and work on 10.3x, we may see an improvement vis-a-vis heavy clouds...

no word on the back channel on that as yet...

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Robert whats this horizon view at altitude fix that you're mentioning? Can you explain? Thanks.

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Cool youtube videos Robert - well done

 

Thank you, Richard.  Appreciate the compliment.  I keep meaning to do a segment on programming the FMC - that was something that really perplexed me when I began flying the jets.

 

Robert whats this horizon view at altitude fix that you're mentioning? Can you explain? Thanks.

 

When you're up at FL300 (for example) you cannot see the ground clearly to the horizon.  X-Plane has a built in 'fuzzy' or 'hazy' effect that 'smudges' things.  The good news is that at some point, this will FINALLY be fixed, and when it is, those with a LOT of system ram will see XPlane using all of it, up to 16 or more GB.  Because of this, I have upgraded my three X-Plane rendering PCs to 32gb -each-, which is the maximum ram their motherboard chipsets support.  System ram are the memory sticks you pop  onto your motherboard.  Many of us started out with 4GB or 8GB, and thought 16GB was a ton (that's what I had on my 'main' system before I upgraded).

 

VRAM means 'video ram', and is also very very important in XPlane 10.  Back in the day early video cards had very low amounts of Vram.  512k was common at one time.  Many of today's fastest cards only have 2GB of VRAM.  In XPlane 10, you are much better off with 4GB or even 6GB of Vram to display textures and ortho scenery. A lot of the mid to high-end cards are now available with 4GB, and of course the nvidia GTX Titan and GTX Titan Black both have 6GB on them.

 

My current recommendation is a 4GB nvidia GTX 770 card.  I could be wrong, but the 780 cards seem to only be offered with 2GB of Vram.  You can NOT add more VRAM to an existing video card afaik.  So once you buy one with '2GB', you have a problem if you want to move up to 4 or 6.  You have to really be careful when shopping for video cards, because you can get in a hurry and jump on what seems like a much lower price and wind up with the 2GB variant in lieu of the 4.  I'm a big fan of MSi branded cards, though EVGA has a stellar reputation as well.  I like Msi because of their "FROZR" cooling fin design.  Big dog metal cooling fins and twin fans "the twin frozr" on the GTX 4GB 770 by MSi keep your card cool.

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I could be wrong, but the 780 cards seem to only be offered with 2GB of Vram.

Just wanted to mention that 780's come in 3gb and 6gb flavors.  :)

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Just wanted to mention that 780's come in 3gb and 6gb flavors.  :)

 

Thanks Mike!  Good to know!!

 

Robert

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Thanks Mike!  Good to know!!

 

Robert

You bet.  At the time that I was upgrading my video card I was considering the 770 and the 780.  I chose the 770 4gb over the 780 3gb because I guessed that the extra gb of vram might help, plus the price was much more affordable at that time.

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You did the right thing.  In XPlane I consider 4 to be the MINIMUM. I have 6 in center PC and 4 on the wings.  Of course that means I'm really in essence limited to 4.  Sometimes flying into VERY heavy ortho scenery I get a momentary segment where the VRAM is flushing on the wing pcs.  The center screen can plow along but the wings stutter just for a moment... then all is well.

 
This is caused by Ted Winton's XPlane conversion of FSX Downtown San Diego Buildings ortho scenery.  That scenery add all by itself is 2GB.  It's simply so pretty I can't live without it.  If you fly into San Diego I highly recommend at least trying it.
 
Oddly, my Dell XPS 8000 "happy meal" i5 quad-core wing pcs have just enough legroom to fit the 770 card, but the 780 or Titan cards will NOT fit (they are both too long).

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You bet.  At the time that I was upgrading my video card I was considering the 770 and the 780.  I chose the 770 4gb over the 780 3gb because I guessed that the extra gb of vram might help, plus the price was much more affordable at that time.

 

Same here, might go SLI later on.

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Same here, might go SLI later on.

 

Sli may help performance if x-Plane supports it- but the VRAM is non-accumlative... meaning that 2 4GB cards in sli do NOT yield 8GB of VRAM for texture loads.  I realize most folks know this, but for the few who don't, I'm including it FYI.

 

I myself originally purchased an EVGA GTX690 card with 4GB of Vram, only to find out AFTER the purchase that the 4GB was 'divided in half' 2GB per each GPU chip.  The dual GPU kepplers on the same circuitboard card with built in SLI was apparently a failure, as it now seems to have reverted to ONE GPU chip per card.  I suspect overheating may have been an issue in the "reference design" that was mandated by nVidia.  Fortunately, EVGA did me a solid and shipped me a GTX Titan in exchange for the 2nd GTX690 that failed under warranty.  Though no one asked me - I was THRILLED to lose a GPU and gain 4 extra GB of VRAM for 6GB 'total'.

 

As I have continually reminded in posts- you CAN NOT add more VRAM to a graphics card.  You are stuck trying to sell the card and then repurchase a different one.  Like autos, used graphics card don't command a whole lot of resale value, because of the inherent fear of damage from overclocking.  Sure, they are worth something.  Just not what you paid.

 

Of course the P3D and FSX crowd aren't a bit worried about VRAM.  Their sims aren't designed to take full advantage of it.  But if a FSX / P3D pilot decides afterwards to move to XPlane and 64-bit flight- it's grand if they had the foresight to get 'max VRAM' when they bought their new vid card.  

 

Sli users know that both cards must match to work in SLI- so if one card has 2GB of Vram and the other has 6- that will NOT work in SLI.  Again this is for the newer enthusiast.  Similarly, a GTX 770 and a GTX 780 cannot be combined in SLI, even if they have the identical amount of VRAM on each card.  You would need a Pair of 770s or 780s or Titans... and both of them need identical VRAM on each card.

 

Additional concerns about motherboard design and power supply requirements, not to mention a very roomy and extremely well-ventilated case all come into consideration when SLI is envisioned.

 

I found in X-Plane that performance is actually better having distinct PCs for each monitor, in lieu of trying to solve frame rate issues across multiple displays via SLI.

Why?  You might have TWO video cards instead of ONE, but you still only have ONE CPU doing all the heavy lifting for your entire sim deck.

 

Three PCs and maybe a 4th for the glass cockpit... is a far more efficient setup in X-Plane.

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I really need a new card..... 1.2GB not cutting it for my GTX570.

 

ARGH

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I really need a new card..... 1.2GB not cutting it for my GTX570.

 

ARGH

 

i highly recommend the nVidia "7" series over the "6xx".  For my money, the sweet spot is the 4GB GTX 770.  Its 'around' 400 Street.  The Msi versions seem to be hot sellers and hard to find (beware the 2GB version - it's easy to make a mistake).  If you're an X-Plane 10 Pilot, it's worth it to wait till you can bounce for 4GB.  2GB is just really not ideal if you like high texture settings and say, OSM Ortho Scenery (HIGHLY recommend OSM, available free from SimHeaven).

 

If you have one 4GB card now, you can shoot for a second one when they come down in price.  Buying the 770 will mean better availability down the road for a second 'identical' 770.  EVGA likely is the strong call if you are USA pilot, they are based in California.  Msi stuff is spotty on availability.  Sometimes you can find it easily, but the 770 w 4GB has disappeared from the common sites I use (Jungle and BooEgg sites)

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Haha I like BooEgg - otherwise it's BHPhoto for some PC related items.

 

I think the 400 bucks is out of reach for now.... maybe someday.

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Haha I like BooEgg - otherwise it's BHPhoto for some PC related items.

 

I think the 400 bucks is out of reach for now.... maybe someday.

 

I get that.  It took a lot for me to invest in the modern video cards.  Gulp.  Overall I'm happy I did, but it wasn't something I did right out of the gate.  I flew with a very basic Dell XPS9000 and a very low end video card for about 1 year or more, before I started building up my system.  And then it was single PC (hand built) and single monitor with another small monitor off to the side for gauges in FSX.

 

No rush... prices will drop the longer you wait...

 

I've had good luck at the Rainforest website for PC stuff.  I only recently tried BooEgg when some items I needed 'now' weren't available on the Jungle site.  Rainforest's return policy is hands-down the consumer friendliest, they can't even SPELL restocking fee, much less assess one.

 

BooEgg scares me with that restock bit... especially on big-dog items.  You have to be careful with the Rainforest - they allow 3rd party vendors to sell to you as well, be sure it's in stock and sold by Rainforest itself, not a 3rd party.  The Rainforest itself could not be more friendly and easy on returns.  Thus they are my 'go to' first choice of vendor.

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Sli may help performance if x-Plane supports it- but the VRAM is non-accumlative... meaning that 2 4GB cards in sli do NOT yield 8GB of VRAM for texture loads.  I realize most folks know this, but for the few who don't, I'm including it FYI.

 

I myself originally purchased an EVGA GTX690 card with 4GB of Vram, only to find out AFTER the purchase that the 4GB was 'divided in half' 2GB per each GPU chip.  The dual GPU kepplers on the same circuitboard card with built in SLI was apparently a failure, as it now seems to have reverted to ONE GPU chip per card.  I suspect overheating may have been an issue in the "reference design" that was mandated by nVidia.  Fortunately, EVGA did me a solid and shipped me a GTX Titan in exchange for the 2nd GTX690 that failed under warranty.  Though no one asked me - I was THRILLED to lose a GPU and gain 4 extra GB of VRAM for 6GB 'total'.

 

As I have continually reminded in posts- you CAN NOT add more VRAM to a graphics card.  You are stuck trying to sell the card and then repurchase a different one.  Like autos, used graphics card don't command a whole lot of resale value, because of the inherent fear of damage from overclocking.  Sure, they are worth something.  Just not what you paid.

 

Of course the P3D and FSX crowd aren't a bit worried about VRAM.  Their sims aren't designed to take full advantage of it.  But if a FSX / P3D pilot decides afterwards to move to XPlane and 64-bit flight- it's grand if they had the foresight to get 'max VRAM' when they bought their new vid card.  

 

Sli users know that both cards must match to work in SLI- so if one card has 2GB of Vram and the other has 6- that will NOT work in SLI.  Again this is for the newer enthusiast.  Similarly, a GTX 770 and a GTX 780 cannot be combined in SLI, even if they have the identical amount of VRAM on each card.  You would need a Pair of 770s or 780s or Titans... and both of them need identical VRAM on each card.

 

Additional concerns about motherboard design and power supply requirements, not to mention a very roomy and extremely well-ventilated case all come into consideration when SLI is envisioned.

 

I found in X-Plane that performance is actually better having distinct PCs for each monitor, in lieu of trying to solve frame rate issues across multiple displays via SLI.

Why?  You might have TWO video cards instead of ONE, but you still only have ONE CPU doing all the heavy lifting for your entire sim deck.

 

Three PCs and maybe a 4th for the glass cockpit... is a far more efficient setup in X-Plane.

Have you noticed any improvement in frame rate using SLI ?

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Please also remember guys, that X-Plane is still not really SLI capable ... it might work a little bit, but don't expect miracles. Read this "old" post of Ben Supnik on this topic:

Nevertheless, would be interested to read, what your real SLI experiences are (especially as with the lot of internal 10.30 OpenGL clean-ups, things might have changed a bit).

 

By the way, now there is also a less expensive GTX780 with 6GB VRAM (no need to go the Titan route) from Palit (quite likely, also a bit more less noisy):

And also remember to think about RAM upgrades guys ... go for 32 GB if possible :P (but 16GB should be really your absolute minimum)! Why? Thats why:

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Have you noticed any improvement in frame rate using SLI ?

 

I didn't go SLI.  Instead I went multiple PCs each with its own video card powering its own monitor in XP 10.3b2.

 

I'm very happy now.  XPlane 10 is absolutely superior to competitive platforms from this standpoint (multiple PCs and multiple Monitors connected via network).

 

 


And also remember to think about RAM upgrades guys ... go for 32 GB if possible (but 16GB should be really your absolute minimum)! Why? Thats why:
http://forum.avsim.n...1030/?p=2976906

 

You're quite right Andreas.  I just installed 32gb system ram across all 3 XPlane Rendering PCs. Now if only Laminar would release the promised 'view to the horizon at altitude' fix!  Dying to fly that and shed the blurs at altitude!

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Yeah I've still got 8...

 

I hate investing in my older rig though....

 

Il probably deal with my 8 and gtx570 until I do a new build

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I take it the Oculus Rift support hasn't made it in yet? Any chance of getting this in by July when the DK2 ships? 

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Any users with Saitek ProFlight gear having trouble with this latest beta?  My LCD gauge goes crazy after a while and dies.  My landing gear lights halfway function, the autopilot is completely dead, and the radio panel may or may not work.  Was fine before the update?

 

I didn't see Rift support either.  I was really hoping that would be in there!  Will be much better than the 2D Nthusim driver I'm using right now.

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There well may be some kind of data refs issue with the new 10.3b2 build.  Suddenly all manner of freeze ups with my glass cockpit, which NEVER happened in 10.23 or 10.25.  Waiting to make sure before filing a bug with Laminar.  Otherwise, 10.3b2 is amazing!

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