Beware the Knee Defender

[vc10man 732]

What would your reaction be if they said "No" on a very long-haul flight?

Then, rather having me all stressed-up for the remainder of the flight and the passenger behind me on the prod, I'd just say to myself 'Is the  hassle worth it seeing that I'll only be on this flight for another x hours?', and try and utilise my space to see if I could nod off.

[january 19]

As a 6 footer, on an Air Canada 767 flight from Honolulu, the seating was so uncomfortable, I seriously debated sitting in the can for a half hour.

instead I walked the aisles for extended periods.

No wonder air rage is a problem these days.

january

[ohsirus 241]

Then, rather having me all stressed-up for the remainder of the flight and the passenger behind me on the prod, I'd just say to myself 'Is the  hassle worth it seeing that I'll only be on this flight for another x hours?', and try and utilise my space to see if I could nod off.

 

Think that is why I just won't ask. I will slowly recline to whatever stoppage I can get. My lower back can not survive  being fully erect for hours on end. 

[CordoganAir 55]

Lose the knee defender and buy a liberator! (and I ain't talking about a B-24)  

[vc10man 732]

As a 6 footer, on an Air Canada 767 flight from Honolulu, the seating was so uncomfortable, I seriously debated sitting in the can for a half hour.

instead I walked the aisles for extended periods.

No wonder air rage is a problem these days.

january

That is why I sympathise with passengers of a bigger frame or with back problems. Surely with all the brains in the aviation industry, there must be some bright sparks who can accommodate taller pax like yourself. If as I have seen in the USA when travelling by bus, locally in Vegas, they can run bus services that accommodate prams, wheelchairs, bikes, surely it is not beyond the airline powers-to-be to be as accommodating towards their taller or back-issue passengers on long-hauls. I'm sure that taller pax, etc would gladly pay a small premium for more seat pitch.

[1mikel151 71]

 Not sure why the women was thrown off the plane?!

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REALLY? throwing water in my face is akin to assault, I would have reacted to that in a not so nice way.

 

 

 

If an arrogant passenger gave me that,i'd immediatelly raise the matter with the cabin crew and ask for knee defender to be removed. I know of no airline that allows them.

 

 

You are just as arrogant to expect them to lose their comfort or even be in discomfort so you can recline.

 

My last flight was a ton of fun when the lady (<- use that term loosely) in front of me reclined right onto my knees and she could care less when I made it clear she was hitting my knees, so i did everything I could to make her uncomfortable, banging on the seat, tapping on it, making noise, etc. She finally got the point after 15 or so minutes and raised it a bit so as not to hit my knees.. We shared a few choice words on the way out also, it was a blast, LOL.

 

I don't care how much a person pays and for what, if the form doesn't fit the function, to bad.

[vc10man 732]

Oddly enough, there was a discussion about this on the main BBC Radio Night News tonight with a travel writer. He was relating about a contretemps that broke out with a Spanish woman passenger when he tried to re-arrange her rather large-sized overhead locker carry-on case to make room for his, and she apparently took umbrage and threw his case down. After the cabin crew had intervened and resolved it, he gave as good as he got by steadfastly pushing against the back of her seat thus preventing her from reclining her seat.

 

And he made a valid point that some of the carry-on case sizes allowed these days is almost akin to hold luggage sizes.

[VeryBumpy 272]

And he made a valid point that some of the carry-on case sizes allowed these days is almost akin to hold luggage sizes.

 

These days? Stupid large carry-ons that are allowed on planes have been an issue for the last 15 years.

[ohsirus 241]

It's worse now as now you have to pay for each checked bag.

[SteveW 1,792]

Not sure why the women was thrown off the plane?!

REALLY? throwing water in my face is akin to assault

Yes quite, her seat had been tampered with by an idiot, and so in unusual circumstances she found herself moved to do something stupid. We have no idea of personal circumstances which could lead to her short temper, e.g. on the way back from fathers funeral etc. The seat tampering came first, seems unfair but rules are rules and off she goes too. Yet the aircraft seating was made to be adjustable, and so the airline is also more to blame than the woman.

[mgh 89]

 

 

You are just as arrogant to expect them to lose their comfort or even be in discomfort so you can recline.

 

Why should I be uncomfortable so the passenger behind be can be comfortable?

[vololiberista 205]

 

 

And he made a valid point that some of the carry-on case sizes allowed these days is almost akin to hold luggage sizes.

Just a couple of days ago on BA a good proportion of the trolleys brought on board as hand luggage were oversize. BA allows you the full 23kgs as hand luggage but they should be a little stricter on container size!

[sascha 314]

I never understood why people can't be bothered to turn around and ask this very little, very simple question...

"Excuse me, do you mind if I recline my seat a bit? If it hinders you, please do tell me."

Every SINGLE time I've asked this question, the answer was a smiling "Go ahead."

People's reactions are based a lot more on how you say/ do things, than what the actual message is.

Got it in one! It's the sense of entitlement that most people carry around with them.

 

Even if you payed for your seat, so did everyone else - so you need to arrange yourself so everyone gets the most out of their flight comfort.

[n4gix 4,947]

Why should I be uncomfortable so the passenger behind be can be comfortable?

Perhaps because then you would be taking the high road and acting as a true gentleman?

[Matthew Kane 1,343]

I live on an island nation where it is 8 to 14 hour flights to go anywhere and yes seats recline for a reason. Typically the first hour they do a dinner service then they put the cabin lights out and people sleep, then the last hour they do a breakfast service. So obviously don't recline in the first or last hour during food service. Rest of the flight recline and sleep or watch a movie or whatever. This is very typical of Pacific Service and I have never heard of this being an issue before.

So recently there was 4 people out of the millions that fly every week that lost their cool over reclined seats. Seems to me that this is the one in a million that shouldn't be flying anyways.
 

Why should I be uncomfortable so the passenger behind be can be comfortable?

You sound like the one in a million that shouldn't be flying either.   :rolleyes: