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I so wish that movie / TV producers would by FSX and PMDG products before they make films and TV shows.

 

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I have just watched the latest episode of Criminal Minds and in the first scene it shows the external shot of a Boeing 747, then the internal shot of a smaller plane. Then later on it shows a plan of a three engine aircraft.

 

Later on another aircraft, again a 747 this time with a small cockpit, then the pilot changes com frequency with the CDU which I am right, is only available on the Airbus, not the 747.

 

The plot goes that a plane crashes, they investigate and find that the slats are lowered mid air then is brought down by a remote control. The second aircraft does not crash, although had the flaps and gear lowered by remote control. The pilots cannot take over the aircraft because they can't cancel the autopilot, they can't change the transponder for some reason and the ACARS does not work.

 

Please can somebody explain to these movie makers and TV makers how the 747 is mechanical and not fly-by-wire.

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You see that kind of thing a lot in TV and movies. Cutting from the external view of an aircraft to the flight deck of a completely different aircraft. The producers don't care about that kind of stuff. Only buffs notice these and are annoyed by these thing. My cardiologist told me a couple of years ago that he was watching and enjoying some period piece. I think it was The Madness of King George and then he noticed a tell tail sign on the lead actors neck that indicated he had had coronary by-pass surgery. Dammit there was no by-pass in the 1700's Movie Ruined! :lol:

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I so wish that movie / TV producers would by FSX and PMDG products before they make films and TV shows.

 

It would be nice.  Even if not for you and me, for all of my friends who are so used to my side commentary:

"That's not even the same plane!"

"Really?!?  Is it that difficult?"

 

The worst is when it's a higher budget movie, and there's no plot reference to the type of plane (so they generally have a decent amount of flex room to choose whatever plane they want), but they still mix the takeoff, cruise, landing, and flight deck shots.

 

All I can think is:

"How about this?  Find your limiting factor - whether that's a cabin or flight deck sim -and shoot some scenes in it.  Write down what that type is, and then either pay for matching stock footage of the takeoff/landing, or go spend an hour at a local international airport and get shots of both."

 

I do get it, though...why waste extra effort if only a few will notice?  For me, if anything, just make sure the flight deck looks the part.  I hate the gamey flight decks that you see in shows like Air Disaster and so on.  You could use different takeoff, landing, and cabin shots...as long as you get the flight deck to look right.

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Hollywood's vision of aviation drives me bonkers... like Kyle, I can't shut up when watching this stuff. By the way Kyle, I am now single.

 

Very few good aviation movies out there but there are a few. My favorites are 'Twelve O'Clock High,'  'The High and the Mighty,' and one of the best that earned a standing ovation at EAA Oshkosh Fly-In: 'Flyboys' (2006). The first used actual AAF film, the second starred John Wayne (duh) and the latest was filmed to capture realistic flying, even if they had to use CGI the computer followed the motion of an instrumented airplane. Magnificent.

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Hollywood's vision of aviation drives me bonkers... like Kyle, I can't shut up when watching this stuff. By the way Kyle, I am now single.

 

That's why I'm still single...haha.

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Got to admit, my wife told me to shut up halfway through when I told her that it could never happen, that they pilots where useless and all they had to do was flick a switch to get back control.

 

Doesn't help that we are going on holiday soon and she doesn't like flying.

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Last week I watched a program on PBS called NOVA about MH370 which was narrated by Miles O'Brien. It was good. All of the cockpit shots were done in a real 777 simulator with an active captain and a retired captain. It was nice to see a real cockpit after too many Air Disasters. Even some of their episodes have the sequence of events changed for dramatic purposes.

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Check out Island in the sky also with John Wayne, made about the same time as High and Mighty. Also written by E Gann I think. The War Lover with Steve Mac queen was a decent war movie. (B-17s)

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Aviation mistakes in entertainment (movies, TV etc) are a huge pet peeve of mine haha. I would gladly serve as an advisor to any movie or show looking to get things right.

 

Even my favorite show of all time, Breaking Bad (which gets a ton of stuff right involving chemistry and all of that), did some really ridiculous aviation stuff in one of the early seasons.

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did some really ridiculous aviation stuff in one of the early seasons.
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I too was yelling at the screen, haha :lol:

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I too am like this. I simply cannot stand it. It drives my Wife nuts. She just pauses the movie/TV show, and looks at me waiting for me to finish also.

 

I also count rounds coming out of weapons. I will almost walk away from a movie when I see someone shoot about 27 times from a pistol without even thinking of reloading.

 

Watching movies that vehicles jump 20 feet in the air, and the clips ends with them slamming bumper first into the ground, then the next clip is of them continuing to drive.

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I love when Movies use flight sim accessories as props.

Here are two fantastic examples:

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Yep....bugs me too. If I see an aircraft advertised in a movie I will most likely either not watch it or just watch it and sit their in amazement at how incorrect everything is. The best (worst) thing is when they show a 747 external and then switch to the internal and its a single aisle cabin....

 

Its something movie producers should pay great attention to, as imperfections such as this really ruins a movie for me. I guess thats the reason I am a BIG fan of the Hobbit movies! Nothing to scream at the screen about while watching those...

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Eh. Movie and tv studios only care about profits and making the movie interesting to most people. That and most people don't know the difference between an APU and their butt so why take the time to make sure it's correct?

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I completely agree with everybody else. The little things are the annoying ones. The thing that really bugs me is when I see a plane that would never be used for whatever the reason is that they are using it for. For example, I saw a Progressive commercial a little while ago that was in an airport. The plane behind them with a Progressive logo on it was not something widely in use like a 737, but a B722! The only B722s still in use are 727-200Fs, and they're only in use in Canada. This was definitely a passenger plane. The 727 in the background completely goes against the futuristic theme of Progressive commercials! And all the time I see the takeoff in a movie in a 737, and then the landing scene in a 757! These things ruin entire movie scenes for me! Hopefully sometime the crews of movies, TV shows, and even commercials will eventually decide to care about the little things.

 

Richmond F.

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All my friends know I love flying and airplanes. So when a movie with or about airplanes comes on, BAM! I'm the Subject Matter Expert. It totally breaks my suspension of disbelief when the plane is incorrect, the cockpit is shoddy or the cabin is wrong. I get that they don't care about aviation, but dam... Can you try?!

 

Random examples of movies I've seen

I remember I had a friend of mine argue that the fuel could ignite and go fast enough to catch a departing plane. (I think that was DieHard 2?)

I've been asked what plane they were flying in "Flight".  IMO it looks like a MD80 cockpit, but some other type (possibly fictional) on the outside.

Type of plane in "Passenger 57"? I told them (L1011) and then had to explain who made it as no one had ever seen it...

There is a disaster film with John Cusack in it where they fly an AN225. I've never been in the cockpit of it in RL (I have seen the exterior live however), but I thought the plane was the best part of that movie!

Type of airplane used in "Scent of a Woman"? A Continental 727. How do I know? I was there for that! It was filmed in the Continental (United) hangar that is closet to 22R @ EWR. Did not see any of the stars though...

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We are familiar with aviation so it is easy to spot liberties taken with aviation for drama or production costs. But think of the many other scenes in a movie which are about subjects, objects, equipment etc. we are not familiar with and really can't make a an informed judgment  about wither the scene is accurate or not. Most movies are for entertainment and nothing else.

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I watched a program once and they was sat in the cockpit of a 737. Then the co-pilot reached up, switched a light switch then made a cabin announcement.

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The best ever aviation movie based on total absurdity: 'Airplane!' (1980)  Classic.  One night on TCM they ran Airplane! and immediately after they ran the movie that it was a paraody of 'Zero Hour' (1957). It was a great evening.

 

Do you have the clearance Clarance? What's our vector Victor? "Surely you can't be serious", :  "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley."

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I've been asked what plane they were flying in "Flight".  IMO it looks like a MD80 cockpit, but some other type (possibly fictional) on the outside.

 

I was watching that movie last night and I was wondering that my self. To me it look also like a MD80 cockpit, but in one of the shots it look like it has vertical displays like the one found in Embraer cockpits.

 

Also, it is possible to fly inverted with a small commercial airplane?

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Recorded one today on TCM titled "The Big Lift". 1948 black and white about the Berlin Airlift. Some of those old movies are fun if you look past the corn ball acting of the day. A lot of live C54 and C47 action. Enjoyable.

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Also, it is possible to fly inverted with a small commercial airplane?
Any airplane can fly inverted if you try hard enough.

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