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Drzewiecki Designs - New York Airports X KLGA Extract

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Shalom and greetings all my pals,

Does anybody have positive experience with Drzewiecki Designs software company and its airport scenery called New York Airports X??

I am getting interested in Drzewiecki Designs - New York Airports X KLGA Extract for 12 bucks which covers only KLGA.

Thanks for any input.

Regards,

Aharon

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Hi Aharon,

 

The problem with any of the DD New York area airports, all of which are of very good visual quality, is that they can bring FSX to it's knees in terms of VAS usage, particularly if you have any other scenery (such as Aerosoft Manhattan or FSDT KJFK) installed for this area. Difficult to be positive about KLGA because of that!

 

Bill

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Hi Aharon,

 

The problem with any of the DD New York area airports, all of which are of very good visual quality, is that they can bring FSX to it's knees in terms of VAS usage, particularly if you have any other scenery (such as Aerosoft Manhattan or FSDT KJFK) installed for this area. Difficult to be positive about KLGA because of that!

 

Bill

 Bill, do you use DX10 and do you disablw FSDT stuff if you're flying to say LGA?

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Haven't been using DX10 for a while because of some issues (unrelated to KLGA). I have found it necessary to deactivate FSDT KJFK if I have to have any chance of completing a flight around the NY area from DD KLGA without VAS problems leading to an OOM error. Obviously it also depends on the aircraft you are using but the more resource intensive payware aircraft are more likely to cause earlier OOMs.

 

The main issue with the NY area is that you can potentially have a significant number of visually excellent but resource intensive airport and scenery addons within a relatively small geographical area all competing for a limited amount of VAS. I don't know what else you have in that area, but I guess if you were to use DD KLGA without any active addon Manhattan scenery or FSDT KJFK then you are less likely to have VAS problems.

 

Bill

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Thanks all for explanations.

 

Looking forward to more comments, please!!

 

Thanks,

 

Aharon

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I run Aerosoft Manhattan and the KLGA you are looking at. I had a VAS problem when I also used their KJFK, but have not had a problem since I removed that. The frame rates can be bad, but I also use Fiber Accelerator and that makes everything run well.

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Aharon,

try demo version. DD offers complete coverage in their demo versions.

Difference is that there is less details (unique buildings) and smaller textures. If it would bring performance loss to your system then you will now that full version would be even worse.

I have all of DD demos installed, because even with limited features, they are much more accurate than defaults.

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I don't like bashing developers, but then I also feel an obligation to be honest with fellow simmers when questions are asked. I recently installed their Newark airport, one of the NY sceneries... to say it was a joke would be an understatement. With autogen set at normal, AI at 25%, fair weather, all the usual cfg tweaks, in the NGX I barely got the frames into the mid teens! Not only that, the whole scenery was a stuttering mess. I uninstalled it immediately and threw it in the trash. I did contact the dev, actually thinking they may refund my purchase, but wasn't too upset as it was only £7, and then I began to ask myself, hmmm, then perhaps that was the reason why it was only £7! It may be that others have had perfectly acceptable performance, although I'd be surprised if that was the case, but for me, it was useless.

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I tried the demo and the performance was very BAD.

 

I wish FlyTampa would develop airports for NYC. They seem to know what they are doing.

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Aharon,

try demo version. DD offers complete coverage in their demo versions.

Twojastara,

 

Great idea  I did not know that DD has demos. I assume the demos can be found on DD's website?

 

Rockliffe and DJJose,  what are your computer configurations, please?

 

Thanks to all for reviews. Looking forward to more reviews.

Regards,

 

Aharon

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Twojastara,

 

Great idea I did not know that DD has demos. I assume the demos can be found on DD's website?

 

Rockliffe and DJJose, what are your computer configurations, please?

 

Thanks to all for reviews. Looking forward to more reviews.

Regards,

 

Aharon

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It's sad about the DD NYC area and airports, I use their Miami scenery and that runs smooth as butter.

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I guess it's all the extra autogen in the area. But then perhaps devs should ask themselves the question whether or not it's wise to choose such an area for an airport.

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My experience with their KEWR has been a bit different than others who've posted in this thread. See my profile for my computer specs; I'm using DX10 via Steve's DX10 Scenery Fixer, and my autogen and AI traffic settings are modest (Normal and 50-60% UT2 AI).

 

No question that frames are lower in the vicinity than elsewhere, but in my opinion (only, perhaps), they are acceptable. The developer gives you options to install different lighting and to use a lower LOD radius when you install the scenery, and I've availed myself of those without any discernible impact on the visuals.

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I have to agree with the everyone else.  I have a very high performance FSX machine and it gets OOM errors without fail at any of the NYC airports included in the scenery package eventually.  Great visuals but not stable, very disappointing.  I rarely fly to the NYC area but if I do I will re-install FSDT JFK and the other KLGA scenery.

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My question is why are you all letting 3-5 payware airports in the same area load in your Scenery.cfg file when you are only landing at 1 of them?   I never have more than 2 airports active at a time, my departure and my arrival airport.  That's it.   There is no reason to have 3 other close by airports being rendered in high detail when you aren't going to be landing there anyway.

 

That being said, are you guys saying that just having one airport loaded is still bringing your systems to a crawl?  If so that makes me sad as I was eyeballing all the DD airports to help give my east coast a face lift.   I guess DD doesn't use the latest geometry and texture baking techniques?    Flightbeams KDEN is amazing on this end.  One of the largest airports I own but my frame rate is solid there even with all the detail.

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are you guys saying that just having one airport loaded is still bringing your systems to a crawl?

 

Yes

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That being said, are you guys saying that just having one airport loaded is still bringing your systems to a crawl?

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Sorry about the post above...the forum burped as I was composing a message! Here's what I wanted to post:

 

Just one airport by the subject developer does not bring my system to a crawl.

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Thanks Twojastara

 

Demos do not offer separate airports so I cannot try demos.

 

Meanwhile I am surprised that getting only one airport can bring anyone's system to crawl.  I always want realistic looking KLGA scenery!!!!!

 

I do not use payware aircraft addons, I do not use REX and I do not use fancy ground texture stuff so I am under impression that DD's KLGA will run smooth with FSX default New York City scenery.

 

I am using laptop.  I have memory intensive Sunskyjet KPHL scenery that runs VERY SMOOTH in my laptop.  Do all of you think DD' KLGA is same as Sunskyjet's KPHL scenery in terms of memory intensive or is DD KLGA more memory intensive than Sunskyjet KPHL? I also own Aerosoft Gilibator that runs smoothly without problem.

 

I also own few Pacific Sim scenries that run smoothly including Jeje airport and I own few Tropical Sims sceneries as well as one Latin VFR TTCP scenery running in my laptop without problem.

 

Does it give anyone clue whether DD KLGA can run smooth or not in my laptop?

 

Regards,

 

Aharon

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Do all of you think DD' KLGA is same as Sunskyjet's KPHL scenery in terms of memory intensive or is DD KLGA more memory intensive than Sunskyjet KPHL?

I obviously cannot tspeak for everyone, but my two cents:

KPHL is a single airport in a not so heavy area, whereas KLGA is located close to both downtown New York, whcih is performance-hungry already, and also very clos to at least two other major airports, KJFK and KEWR, which may cause severe trouble when you have traffic enabled. Plus LGA isn't exactly a smal airport either.

But you can still try the NY bundle demo (if that exists), that way you can check, how your system reacts to the even higher load of all the NY area airports, and you can base your decision on whether to buy or not to buy KLGA on that preformance.

 

Best regards,

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I obviously cannot tspeak for everyone, but my two cents:

KPHL is a single airport in a not so heavy area, whereas KLGA is located close to both downtown New York, whcih is performance-hungry already, and also very clos to at least two other major airports, KJFK and KEWR, which may cause severe trouble when you have traffic enabled. Plus LGA isn't exactly a smal airport either.

 

FloG,

 

Although Skysunjet KPHL is bigger airport than KLGA, you got an excellent point about FSX default New York City area that is performance hungry!!!!!!

 

I think I am going to gamble NINE BUCKS on DD KLGA scenery.  If it does not work,  losing nine bucks will not hurt considering the fact that I never drink and I never smoke. Also, I never gamble in Atlantic City or Las Vegas!!!!

 

The only worry I have is that DD KLGA scenry's programming gimmicks might screw up my FSX.

 

Thanks for all input!!!

 

Regards,

 

Aharon

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