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Hi guys

 

I am running an i5-3570K CPU o/c to 4.2GHz. My video card is a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti. I am considering updating my video card, either to a GTX 760 or 770, or possibly to a GTX 970 if funds allow me to (I have read good reports about this card).

 

I mainly fly with FSX and sometimes P3D.  Would upgrading my card to any of these be beneficial to me? I realise that my FPS would not go up by much, I was just hoping that things would be smoother. I also realise that P3D would benefit from an upgrade.

 

Would any of these cards improve my flying experience? Obviously the more expensive the card, the better the experience.

 

I appreciate any replies.

 

Thanks

John

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I just got the GTX970 yesterday.  Still setting it up but looks great so far.

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I have a 970.

 

Despite 4096 textures everywhere, 4x DSR and as many visual effects as I can throw at it, I've yet to exceed 66% usage, even at complicated airports and in heavy weather.

 

This is in DX10, I'm never going back to DX9.

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McGraw,

 

I use DX10 Fixer as well.  Would you mind posting your settings?  Are you using Nvidia Inspector ?   Thanks, 

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sounds good,never thought of a 970 as I have the 580 but probably upgrade next year.

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My 560 TI has served me well and I'd like to move on to 970. But with a i7 200K processor, I just wonder if it's worth sinking another $300 into an older system.

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My 560 TI has served me well and I'd like to move on to 970. But with a i7 200K processor, I just wonder if it's worth sinking another $300 into an older system.

I am somewhat in the same boat as you.  I have a 560Ti too.  I'm planning a full system upgrade early 2015 but wonder if getting just a 970 now would be the way to go.  I guess it would work in my current system(i5 2500k) but obviously wouldn't get the full advantage of PCI-x3 or whatever it is called.  So I hate to get the card and install it in the current setup and then take it out and move it into the new system in 3-6 months.

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McGraw,

 

I use DX10 Fixer as well. Would you mind posting your settings? Are you using Nvidia Inspector ? Thanks,

I'll try to look this weekend but if I forget, I can pretty much say I changed nothing in DX10 so no AA or anything...just vanilla.

 

I run DSR 4x at 20% smoothing.

 

For NI I used the settings on the Mutley's Hangar review of the fixer but minus any AA.

 

I have no idea whether those settings are particularly current but I'm actually shocked at how well my rig runs now. Super smooth and not too far off 30fps even on the ground.

 

DX9 was nasty by comparison.. Constant tiny stutters regardless of settings (they started when mesh details got increased) and lower frames. I was actually reasonably ok with it with bufferpools=0 but now I realise how bad it was and I don't need BP tweak in DX10.

 

Rest of my spec is a 4790k at 4.5 and 16gb of 2400hz c11 from a single SSD. I have FS Global running off a USB 3 hard drive.

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OK thanks, I will give it a try.  I am still a bit confused on the use of Inspector, some say you need to reset it to default and use the Nvidia settings, others like yourself can get DSR to work without changing anything on NI.  I guess I will have to play around with it.

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As far as I understand, NVI just overrides (if you want it to) the NV cp settings.

 

As there are no DSR settings in NVI there is nothing to override.

 

I think you can add extra AA to DSR but I haven't tried and don't really see the point...although saying that I think SGSS 2x in DX9 seemed a bit crisper but I could be wrong and I doubt there will be much in it.

 

Knowing me I am bound to try it though!

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I just got the GTX970 yesterday.  Still setting it up but looks great so far.

My system is similar to yours..

 

How big a performance increase did you see?

 

I would expect an bottleneck in either the CPU or chipset

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My system is similar to yours..

 

How big a performance increase did you see?

 

I would expect an bottleneck in either the CPU or chipset

 

As with everything in flight sim, there is no magic bullet.  If I really push the settings, my frame rates are low (17 to 20) at heavy airport scenery like FSDT Vancouver in the 777 or NGX.  If I back off a bit, I am getting a nice jump into high twenties on the ground at up to my frame rate lock (1/2 refresh rate) in the air.  Image Quality is fantastic, very sharp, very slight shimmering and smooth.  This is a significant improvement over the old card.

 

Note that I am using my normal DX10 Nvidia Settings.  I changed the bufferpools to 0 and have not seen any issues....maybe a very slight stutter when I whirl around in spot view.

 

I tried DSR and did notice a nice image but not as good as above.  Still had shimmering and even more of it than above.  Yes I had higher frames iwth DSR but that was probably just because I had lowered my AA settings.

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As with everything in flight sim, there is no magic bullet. If I really push the settings, my frame rates are low (17 to 20) at heavy airport scenery like FSDT Vancouver in the 777 or NGX. If I back off a bit, I am getting a nice jump into high twenties on the ground at up to my frame rate lock (1/2 refresh rate) in the air. Image Quality is fantastic, very sharp, very slight shimmering and smooth. This is a significant improvement over the old card.

 

Note that I am using my normal DX10 Nvidia Settings. I changed the bufferpools to 0 and have not seen any issues....maybe a very slight stutter when I whirl around in spot view.

 

I tried DSR and did notice a nice image but not as good as above. Still had shimmering and even more of it than above. Yes I had higher frames iwth DSR but that was probably just because I had lowered my AA settings.

Hmmm would have expected higher..

 

What clock is your cpu running?

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I should also point out that I have a lot going on in my sim.  ORBX Global, Vector and LC, ASN, REX textures, heavy airport scenery and the PMDG 777.  So to say the graphics look fantastic but at slightly reduced framerates I think is normal.

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Yeah me too, but im running avg. 25 fps on ground non stutter in DX9 with 560 Ti and a clock speed of 4.5, which is why I would expect you to run higher at DX10

 

But ofc there is some reason.. maybe you are using 4k textures? I have max setting at 2048

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I have really cranked up the graphics options (AA etc) and have not noticed any further drop in framerates and the video card is running at a maximum of 50%.  Little artifacts I had with my old card are gone (squares, stange clouds in the distance during heavy cloud cover) and stutters/pauses are greatly reduced.  I just flew the Q400 with FS2Crew from FSDT Vancouver to Fort St. John and back....I don't think there was one stutter.  Weather was terrible with snow, rain, fog and everything looked fantastic.  Still need to do a bit more experimenting to see if there is anything specific I can do to get the frames up to 30 on the ground.

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Well thats great :)

Anyway I suspect that your video card topping out at 50% could be something acting as a bottleneck like chipset, or CPU (or even FSX.. lol)

 

But I guess you are secured for the next two years GPU wise either way..

 

I checked a few prices and the GFX is easily 50% of the cost of an upgrade, so you might want to consider chipping out on a z97/4690k system

 

Anyway my two cents mark :)

 

Quick edit:

 

I probaly wouldn't do it before/if making a shift towards running p3d due to the poor optimization of FSX

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I've got a 4790k at 4.5Ghz and I can drop to 18fps at very busy airports when taxiing but I don't think this is anything abnormal.

 

Approaches are fine for 25-30fps...are you both talking about the same scenarios?

 

There's a video on Youtube of someone with a 5ghz 4790k and RAM at C8 2400mhz. Yes it looks fantastic but even that struggles with a lot going on out of the window on the ground.

 

I don't think a PC exists that could run FSX day to day never dipping below 30fps. Would love to see a nitrogen cooled 8ghz (or whatever the record is) 4790k running FSX with the fastest RAM possible.

 

I think if I could get to 5ghz and knock my RAM latency down from C11 I would see improvements but as long as takeoffs and landings are nice and smooth, I'm happy.

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Framerates on even the most powerful PCs are not going to be stellar if you are running high resolution, super detailed addon airports, payware planes, scenery, weather utilities, and AI packages. Anyone who says that they get 50fps with all of those active at the same time is talking nonsense. A figure of 20fps is more realistic.

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The i5 2500k is still a very powerful piece of kit. If the motherboard and GPU in my old PC had not failed three months ago, I would still be using one myself. PC technology advances have become incremental over the past few years (as opposed to revolutionary), so that four year gap doesn't equate with quite as much of a power and speed increase as you might think, particularly when it comes to FSX and P3D.

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