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A2A Cessna 182T Skylane + Saitek

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Reading the topic below, it would seem there is trouble using Saitek controls with A2A aircraft so before purchasing this Skylane hearing of experiences with these products would be very helpful. I don't want to buy this aircraft if I can't use my Saitek Yoke,Quadrant and Pedals . I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

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Hmm...  I use a Saitek yoke, pedals and quadrant (two of 'em actually) and they work quite well with the A2A 172 and 182.  I also use Saitek's multipanel, and radio panel and have them working reasonably well (though I still need to do some fine tuning on some of the AP functions).

 

I do use FSUIPC, though I believe there are many who control them directly.  A2A also provide an "input configurator" which can help with customization for non-FSUIPC folks.  For the multipanel and radio panel I do use SPAD rather than the Saitek drivers.  SPAD is pretty much required for the multipanel to be useful in any plane which uses anything beyond the standard FSX autopilot functions.

 

That's not to say that some users don't experience issues, as the A2A planes don't function like default FSX planes, but there are many of us out there using Saitek gear quite successfully.

 

Scott

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I'm using Saitek Yoke, X-52pro, Rudder, Trim wheel, 2 radio panels, Multi panel and switch panel and CH throttle and all work fine. You just need to find via which control platform you can set things up best. I'm using SPAD for my panels and a mix of P3D native control menu, FSUIPC and A2A cofigurator.

 

I'm not sure if everything works the same for every system, but here's how I did it for the C182.

 

Basic control axis' (elevator, ailerons, rudder, brakes): Standard FSUIPC assignments.

Throttle/Prop/Mixture: FSUIPC the single thottle/prop/mixture option (not the ones shown as Throttle1, etc. They dont always make the full range of the levers in VC)

Trimwheel: Either with A2A configurator, or with native FSX/P3D elevator trim axis control.

Radio panels: didnt have to do anything, work with SPAD in FSUIPC offset mode.

Multi panel: Flaps with keyboard emulation in SPAD set to F6 and F7, standard native controls. HDG, NAV, ALT, APR, REV with keyboard emulations in SPAD to A2A configurator. AP master with FSUIPC virtual button in SPAD, FSUIPC AP Master. Yoke AP Disconnect, directly from yoke to A2A configurator.

Switch panel: All work with FSUIPC offset, except for Battery and Alternator, which I set with keyboard emulations in SPAD and A2A configurator.

 

I havent heard anyone else about it, so maybe it depends on the system, but if it happens that controls dont work after core update 1.6, uninstall the C182 and reinstall it and dont run core update after.

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Re moving topic.  This is not a hardware query but a question about the A2A Cessna Skylane and it's usability.  Thank you Scott and Maarten for your help.

Echofox

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Can you start the 182 without a mouse? I have everything working with the 172 but must use the mouse to turn the starter.

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I also have problems with the starter from the Cherokee, but in the 182 it works from from the magneto switch from a Saitek panel.

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I gave up their 172 because of Saitek FIP issues and A2A said they were not planning to fix any of my issues.  I was able to get all of the other Saitek issues sorted but my cockpit has 12 FIP's, I just don't leave home without them.

 

Rick S.

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I also have problems with the starter from the Cherokee, but in the 182 it works from from the magneto switch from a Saitek panel.

 

I have the starter mapped to a button/switch in those aircraft using FSUIPC4 and the applicable

Local Variable (L:Var)

 

For both the C182 and the P180  it is "L:Eng1_StarterSwitch"  Use 1 to start, 0 for starter off

 

In FSUIPC4 I have the switch send "1" while the switch is held and "0" when it is released.

 

   Paul

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Thats where I'm in trouble, the Saitek Switch Panel in my cockpit build always causes a CTD when moved to the Starter position, so I map to a button using FSX. Doesn't work with A2A though. I'll be buying FSUIPC soon and really hope it solves my problem!

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Ah! I can start the A2A Trainer and Cherokee now! I used the Configurator to map the Magneto + to enable me to advance to 'Start'. With the Cherokee, the FSX Starter does not map to the A2A Starter button, butt the Configurator has a Starter option so I mapped it to one of my cockpit buttons. Presto! No mouse needed to start them. Bring on the 182!!!!!!

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Why does Saitek put the AP disconnect button on the right side of the yoke?  Sheesh...are any of us flying right seat?

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Which yoke? On the Cessna Pro yoke, there is a button on each side of the yoke horn...

 

I have AP disconnect on the left, A/T disconnect on the right...

 

A

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Why does Saitek put the AP disconnect button on the right side of the yoke?  Sheesh...are any of us flying right seat?

I'm pretty sure that all and any buttons on the Saitek Yoke are assignable using FSX options/controls. I have the Cessna Pro Flite Yoke made by Saitek and every button or switch is easily assignable.

 

Regards,

Ray

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I'm pretty sure that all and any buttons on the Saitek Yoke is assignable using FSX options/controls. I have the Cessna Pro Flite Yoke made by Saitek and every button or switch is easily assignable.

Regards,
Ray

 

K...yeah, I'd suspect that.  Still, it seems like it's a right seat yoke and that's what's kept me from getting it.  On my old (very old) CH yoke I have the AP disconnect assigned to the bottom red button and TOGA (for the Mustang and some others) assigned to the top red button.  Seems natural.  What do you have those assigned to on the Saitek?

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K...yeah, I'd suspect that.  Still, it seems like it's a right seat yoke and that's what's kept me from getting it.  On my old (very old) CH yoke I have the AP disconnect assigned to the bottom red button and TOGA (for the Mustang and some others) assigned to the top red button.  Seems natural.  What do you have those assigned to on the Saitek?

Are you thinking the AP disconnect switch is a certain or specific switch on the Yoke based on the shape of the button?

 

Regards,

Ray

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K...yeah, I'd suspect that. Still, it seems like it's a right seat yoke and that's what's kept me from getting it. On my old (very old) CH yoke I have the AP disconnect assigned to the bottom red button and TOGA (for the Mustang and some others) assigned to the top red button. Seems natural. What do you have those assigned to on the Saitek?

 

Gregg, as others have mentioned, buttons are completely assignable so you can do what you want.  Personally, I've never mapped AP disconnect to the yoke, as my AP console is mounted directly above the yoke mere inches from my left hand, but if you don't use the PTT button (on the back side of the left handle) you could use that I suppose.

 

Scott

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Are you thinking the AP disconnect switch is a certain or specific switch on the Yoke based on the shape of the button?

 

Regards,

Ray

 

Might be wrong, but yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking.  I should say, of the low end priced yokes, the Saitek Cessna model looks like it's the best of the lot.  I just never understood that about them.  As I look for a yoke to replace my CH I'm always trying to figure out what button I'd assign to what.  I do like having AP disc and trim up/down on my left hand.  The only reason I put TOGA there is because it's not on my TQ and I didn't have much else that made sense for the button. 

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The button assignments are so easy and simple to work with, you can try different buttons until you find the one or the place that is just right.

 

Ray

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I have the starter mapped to a button/switch in those aircraft using FSUIPC4 and the applicable

Local Variable (L:Var)

 

For both the C182 and the P180  it is "L:Eng1_StarterSwitch"  Use 1 to start, 0 for starter off

 

In FSUIPC4 I have the switch send "1" while the switch is held and "0" when it is released.

 

   Paul

 Where do you place this LVar and how im new to using LVars thanks...Dan...

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A2A doesn't work with Saitek switch panel. Also IMHO are A2A products too realistic . Once I had a introduction lesson for a C172. I had much less problems with the real one (though I was fully

unexpirienced) than before with the A2A AccuSimCreation. That is why I don't fly with A2A's newest ones any more. After very much struggle I learned flying with the A2A P51 Mustang. Now I don't want to hate an aircraft in simulation anymore. Please don't misunderstand me : there is nothing wrong with the fine airplanes from A2A; it is purely personal. Therefore I fly with every RealAir simulation. They all work excellent with Saitek's Switch, Radio and Trim Modules. Yesterday I downloaded the Just Fly's Fokker F27 - and just guess : everything works. There is one exception : The START-knob doesn't work with turbines - there is another start-routine of course.

Cheers,

Ben

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A2A doesn't work with Saitek switch panel

 

The A2A Skylane doesn't rely on default FSX functions so will not respond if they are called, which is what the Saitek driver will do when you flip the switches. However, if you know about the A2A's LVars and can find some other way to program the Saitek panel you can do it. One way is to use LINDA and the free A2A Skylane library, in which case it does work with the Saitek switch panel.

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Hello Mark,

 

Thanks for your very useful comment; I will get in contact with almostaviation.

 

Ben

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