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Zoran, I did take note of Pete Dowson's observations, and am aware of reports of some performance improvements.  But "Huge" that it is worth redoing the whole thing?  I'm going to keep tuned in, obviously.  What I am saying is that rebuilding FSX from scratch is not something that I personally want to do, and I know there are others that share my feelings.  My above post is answer to some of the "no brainer", "why wouldn't a rational person jump on the Steam bandwagon" type of comments that are in abundance. 

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And the LAST thing I would do is attempt a side-by-side installation of FSX with FSX-SE

Certainly not on a permanent basis. It would be a nightmare and unnecessary. I am only running side by side for short period, and I don't intend to run both.

My current HDD ( W7, not FSX ) is starting to get disk errors, which means a new drive is in the pipe line. And then I will permanently migrate to SE, and SE only.

I do agree, having to install fsx from scratch, for me would take weeks. I would not do it unless i really had to. And with a failing hdd, I will have to. Otherwise, SE would only be a back up.

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Zoran, I did take note of Pete Dowson's observations, and am aware of reports of some performance improvements.  But "Huge" that it is worth redoing the whole thing?  I'm going to keep tuned in, obviously.  What I am saying is that rebuilding FSX from scratch is not something that I personally want to do, and I know there are others that share my feelings.  My above post is answer to some of the "no brainer", "why wouldn't a rational person jump on the Steam bandwagon" type of comments that are in abundance. 

Oh yeah Im with you on that one. My strategy though is a very very slow build on a separate drive, it could take months however if Steves DX10 fixer isnt supported I wont be moving anywhere

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Steves DX10 fixer isnt supported

I believe it works fine on a stand alone SE, not side by side

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I believe it works fine on a stand alone SE, not side by side

Excellent should be an awesome combo

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Nope, as this would leave FSX legacy and P3D users out of the distribution chain.

 

 

Also, I'm very much against eliminating the requirement to deal with (installation and other necessary) information contained in Readmes to get an add-on to run.

Developers can hopefully develop side by side? 

Readme's can be provided with the download. 

each addon can have it's own folder, in the folder will be the compiled addon as well as the read me, other than what i suggested earlier.

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As I post already, DX10 fixer Works with FSX SE.

 

Hello:

 

Thanks for this info (although I could not find your prior post specifically regarding DX10 Scenery Fixer compatibility with FSX_SE). :Thinking:

 

 

 

For those whose decisions for (...or against) either a:

 

* "side-by-side" install of FSX_SE with FSX_MS

 

...or a:

 

* "replacement" install of FSX_MS by FSX_SE

 

 

...will be influenced by this issue, here's a recent post by DX10SF author Steve Parsons (aka "SteveFx") on whether future "official' support of FSX_SE may be feasible:

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/457989-dx10-fixer-on-fsx-steam-edition/

 

Hope this helps ! :smile:

 

GaryGB

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Developers can hopefully develop side by side? 

Readme's can be provided with the download. 

each addon can have it's own folder, in the folder will be the compiled addon as well as the read me, other than what i suggested earlier.

That's the way it's currently setup, so as long as it stays that way, I don't think there will be a problem, so long as most if not all addons remain compatible. If they do choose to go the steam only route as Robert Randazzo  (PMDG) is concerned they will at some point, then that will become a big problem for existing users, as well as P3D users. Let's hope that doesn't happen, as that is the worst scenario for all of us.

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Fr. Bill, what are the "Huge" improvements?  I see the change log, and am aware that there is some new optimization, but I'm not seeing the "Huge" part of it,

 

But you don't own/have it, right?

 

So how can you opine on something that you haven't experienced.    The "huge" improvement may not be quantitative, evidenced by a sexy long change log, but may be qualitative, as evidenced by the updated VS compilers being more efficient and providing smoother performance.

 

Surely, skepticism is good if it's backed up by an empirical approach;  ie.. trying out and experiencing the thing that you're trying to build a case/opinion on?

 

Without trying it, your skepticism just has no logical base at all.

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I'm in the process of reinstalling FSX onto one SSD with Win 7 and FSX-SE on a second SSD with another copy of Win 7 running . That way I get both sims running completely independant of each other.

 

If the SE is as good as I've read so far then the next big fix that would be cool, holding my breath, would be for the popup of autogen which I read was fixed in P3D. Get that fixed and I will be happy as everything else for my needs is fine.

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David,

 

That's fair comment, but he is also reluctant to try it in case he ends up wasting his money. That's a reasonable excuse as far as I am concerned, and why he is trying to ascertain whether apparent performance improvements with the Steam Edition are significant enough to warrant a purchase.

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Ok, for me while PC is probably down towards the lower end of the spectrum having used SE for a couple of days, it is a huge improvement on both FSX (admittedly without the service packs) and P3d v1. 30% increase in FPS and much more stable across the board.

There may not be such an improved performance on higher spec machines huge improvement for me, as in something better than FS9 is actually usable.

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If £3.99 is too much for someone to gamble on after reading the change log then this is definitly the wrong hobby for them.

 

And the price has already more than doubled.

 

The introductory price was really about Dovetail asking the community if FSX-SE is worth continuing with, the response to this offering may well influence how much effort Dovetail put in to further improvements.

Apparently some feel that even at £3.99 that Dovetail are wasteing their time.

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Last time I've tried the AffinityMask tweak in FSX:A, it didn't make any difference at all. Now it seems to give me a slight boost in FSX:SE. Weird. A benefit of the VS2013 compilation?

 

The internal framerate limiter seems to be a bit more sluggish than in FSX:A, but I doubt that this is a due to the recompile.

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Yes, you are far too late for the $5 sale...

 

...but, it will likely go on sale again, someday.

 

If you look at the change log and still cannot see the huge improvements that have been made, then nothing any of us could say will affect you're decision making either.

 

IMO that´s a huge, huge overstatement!

 

Did they rewrite the code, 64 bit, etc.?

 

I´m totally baffled by all this insane hoopla just because Steam bought The Hog, and now everybody think it´s a new flightsim, get real, please.

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David, I find it interesting for someone who claims to have just started even using FSX after an 8 year absence, last having used FS9, comes out of nowhere, makes 80 posts in a little under two weeks, now an expert on the needs of others, can make such educated qualitative performance evaluations relative to different versions, is handing out advice on tweaking, etc.  If we are to believe your own words about your limited history of using FSX, then frankly, you don't have the experience to assail the logic of my decision making regarding whether I should purchase SE or not.   Interesting signature line by the way.

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My point is that whether some alternate version of FSX costs $5 or $25, starting over anew, is a big deal.  And the LAST thing I would do is attempt a side-by-side installation of FSX with FSX-SE--sounds like a formula for disaster.

On your last point, I fully agree! There is absolutely no point in anyone having a side-by-side installation. The only reason I will be doing that on my own sim computer is so I can test the installers I create so that such cases will be supported.

 

The only reason I encouraged folks to buy a Steam license during the sale was one of economics. It's not like there's a "expiration date" on one's purchase after all! Its not a piece of raw meat that's going to spoil... :LMAO:

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Surely, skepticism is good if it's backed up by an empirical approach; ie.. trying out and experiencing the thing that you're trying to build a case/opinion on?

 

Without trying it, your skepticism just has no logical base at all.

 

Your post tempts me to launch into a rant about how common it is for people to misread others' posts and then bash the poster for having an opinion different than their own.

 

KingGhidorah was clearly saying that in reading posts from FSX:SE adopters he has not seen evidence of huge improvements. He was not suggesting that this observation is based on personal experience. So your assertion that his thoughts on FSX:SE are illogical is based on nothing.

 

I really wish people would cool their jets about all of this. The same kind of knee-jerk accusations were all too common when MS Flight was released. People were seen as either fanbois or nihilists, and it seems to me that these kinds of ridiculous divisions are developing once again.

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I agree with the last post. It's time to put this one to bed anyway, since the 80% off sale expired several days ago anyway... B)

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