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Wow... Is it worth it?

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So, I'm an avid simmer. I have been simming since the days of Sublogic ATP, and MSFS 3.0, and as you might imagine I have quite the investment in FSX. With the recent release of P3Dv3, I decided it may be time to look into what it would take to upgrade to the new platform, and boy was that eye opening! :shok:

 

After purchasing P3Dv3 Academic, and paying for any required upgrades for the various add-ons I really enjoy (A2A, PMDG, VRS, etc.) I'm looking at around $600 to upgrade!!  :Black Eye:

 

So, was it worth it? Is it that much of a leap forward? My FSX is running mostly stable and I'm fairly happy with it. I am just fearful of being left behind as far as the latest add-ons are concerned. $600 seems nuts to me for some reason, even though I realize I have spent much more over the life of FSX...

 

Thoughts?  :Nerd:

 

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If you really like flight simming it would be worth it. To put it into perspective, I just spent $400 on my secondary car that is worth about $1000 to keep it running. I also play a bit of guitar and bought an inexpensive acoustic guitar for $300. From what I understand (I don't have v3 yet, but will soon) this version is quite stable and lowers the chance of getting OOM's by a lot. So if you sim quite a bit, invest in yourself and enjoy the future of the hobby.

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450+ views and only one reply. Either 449 people have the same questions I do, or no one has a point of view to share except Mike (Thanks Mike! :good: ).

 

Really though, no one else has any thoughts? What's the scoop on this beast known as Prepar3d? What was it that made you jump into the money pit and toss FSX into the retirement bin? :search:

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450+ views and only one reply. Either 449 people have the same questions I do, or no one has a point of view to share except Mike (Thanks Mike!  :good: ).

 

Really though, no one else has any thoughts? What's the scoop on this beast known as Prepar3d? What was it that made you jump into the money pit and toss FSX into the retirement bin?  :search:

i'm still enjoying FSX SE which Dovetail Games has patched many times.  P3Dv3 not too interested yet, maybe i'll buy around Christmas.

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To cut a long story very short.

 

Yes its worth it, once your into P3D you would not go back to any form of FSX.

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It's well worth it but would suggest you try it, as there is a 60-day return window. I think.

 

3.0 runs like a dream, just did first flight with NGX, BDL-BOS with ASN. Solid performance the whole way with wild weather and scenery settings, while not maxed, set pretty high. The only problems I  encountered were, um, pilot induced.  :smile: Oh, and free VAS was over 1GB upon flight completion. Gotta like that!          

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Yes.

 

Once you fly that A2A Commanche with the cloud shadows dancing off your plane and the terrain, and off in the distance you see a cloudbank hugging the mountains in front of a setting sun, you'll never go back.

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now that's straight to the point Phill  :smile:

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I'll have to ditto Pman's accolade.

 

I perused all the install complaints and then did my own install of version 3. It was a piece of cake no problems. Does feel more solid. Only problem was default settings given for my setup was 20 FPS. Was having microstutters.

Set the framerate to 30 and now is smooth, even upped a few of the settings past midway. Love that Comanche! 

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Yes.

 

Once you fly that A2A Commanche with the cloud shadows dancing off your plane and the terrain, and off in the distance you see a cloudbank hugging the mountains in front of a setting sun, you'll never go back.

 

I hope this isn't one of those questions the administrators hate, but did the Comanche install with the default P3d v2 installer?

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I hope this isn't one of those questions the administrators hate, but did the Comanche install with the default P3d v2 installer?

 

You can modify the destination during installation, right? 

 

=@

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You can modify the destination during installation, right? 

 

=@

Mum's the word!

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I believe it is well worth it to upgrade to P3D v3. Not only would you be supporting Lockheed Martin to further develop the platform even further, you would also be supporting the 3rd party developers who produce the add-ons we love. FSX is what it is. It will never improve. Microsoft killed it years ago. Why not make the move over to a platform which is actively under development? Its the way of the future!

 

You don't need to purchase all the add-ons all at once. You can migrate slowly to stay within budget. All you need to get started is P3D V3 and your favorite PMDG aircraft.

 

Good Luck!

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you would also be supporting the 3rd party developers who produce the add-ons we love.

 

I think this is a really important point. I would love to see a majority of people on v3 so third party developers can develop v3-specific add-ons that would take advantage of v3 functionality instead of creating fsx add-ons and just porting the old tech into a modern platform.

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It's ok. Lewis from A2A loaded it the same way!

 

And it does in fact seem to work fine.

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Thanks for the feedback fella's. I agree with the fact that a move ultimately supports the hobby. A hobby that has kept me entertained for some 24 years or so, I'd definitely like that to continue.

 

Something I did not take into account with regard to a move to P3Dv3 is whether my system is ready to handle it. It is definitely a bit long in tooth (built it in 2011). Without getting into the kinda specifics that push us over to the hardware forum, what would need to be done in order to push the sliders to the right with about 30fps? Basic specs currently:

 

CPU: I7-2600K (stable overclock to 4.2ghz, liquid cooled)

RAM: 8gb

GPU: GeForce 560ti 1gb 

OS Drive: 240gb SSD

Data Drive: 500gb 7200rpm, 6gb/s

 

FSX runs at a stable 30fps, unless I load PMDG type aircraft at large detailed scenery then it's 15ish. I'm thinking another SSD specific to P3Dv3, say 500gb or so, and an updated GPU (GTX 960 ?) would get it done. Thoughts?

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I think your only weak spot is the GPU, since Lockheed Martin is continually moving more of the workload to it.

 

In order to best experience P3D's features, like the lighting, HDR and improved AGN tree performance (all GPU items), you'll probably want to hold off until you can upgrade it.

 

 

Here's a great option for you if you are very budget oriented and may not have any PCI-E power plugs on your computer's power supply:

 

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-3751-KR/dp/B00IDG3PRI/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1443834487&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+750ti

 

 

Although if you can spare a bit more, and have PCI-E power plugs, the GTX 960 is a better option:

 

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-960-GAMING-2G/dp/B00SAYDRP8/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1443834421&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+960

 

 

Here's some comparisons in Passmark of all the current NVidia cards:

 

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750+Ti

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I think your only weak spot is the GPU, since Lockheed Martin is continually moving more of the workload to it.

 

In order to best experience P3D's features, like the lighting, HDR and improved AGN tree performance (all GPU items), you'll probably want to hold off until you can upgrade it.

 

Thankfully when I built the system I sprung for an 850watt power supply. So I think I have plenty of power reserve to swap the card. I was looking at:

 

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-04G-P4-3967-KR/dp/B012NOWERC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443837456&sr=8-1&keywords=04G-P4-3967-KR

 

I gave some thought to what I would want in the sim ASAP and the add-ons below are what I'd have to purchase again:

 

A2A C182

PMDG 737NGX (Base only)

RealAir Turbine Duke

FlightOne GTN 750

 

Add the cost of P3Dv3 (I qualify for Academic though Professional is likely more appropriate) and the updated GPU and I'm looking at roughly $500 total (Academic License). Looking at the rest of the list the only remaining must haves would be the PMDG 777X & 300, and the VRS Superbug & TacPack (when available for v3) Which would be another $260 or so down the road...

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The 2 GB GPU is probably not going to cut it.  My GTX 770 with 2 GB does okay in most areas... but in complex scenery, I'm starting to see why LM recommends 4 GB of video memory.  At FlyTampa OMDB, my VAS usage in v3 is a whopping 600MB less than it is in FSX - but guess where all that data is going?  The 770 can hardly keep up and the frames definitely start to get choppy.

 

Why not try the developers license for a month or so and see how you like it? 

 

M.D.

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Snip...

 

That GPU looks like a good choice, and it has plenty of VRAM for P3D.

 

Sounds like you've got it all figured out, and your list of first addons are great ones, HOWEVER, hold off on the F1 GTN, as it isn't updated yet and I'm not sure we aren't going to get stuck with paying another fee for a v3 version of the F1 GTN gauges (which, if true, will really rub folks the wrong way): http://www.simforums.com/forums/p3d-v3_topic53634.html

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HOWEVER, hold off on the F1 GTN, as it isn't updated yet and I'm not sure we aren't going to get stuck with paying another fee for a v3 version of the F1 GTN gauges (which, if true, will really rub folks the wrong way): http://www.simforums.com/forums/p3d-v3_topic53634.html

 

Hadn't noticed that, nice to to see Jim over at Flight1 is his usual peachy self, some folks just really push his buttons... LOL That is a hard pill to swallow, I could live without it, but the GTN really makes the 182 and Turbine Duke come to life...

 

I think this discussion has me moving in the right direction, but it's looking like I'll roll slowly at first and let the add-ons catch up. Perhaps I'll order that GPU... Just have to figure how to keep under the wife's tactical radar...  :ph34r: ... :lol:

 

Keep the talk going fella's, what are those of us that look at the investment missing?

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Well you could always go nap of the Earth, but there's always the chance you will get squashed like a bug...  :wink:  Happens to me every time!

 

The only thing the investment is missing to me is third party installers, but those will catch up as adoption continues.

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Greetings. I'm relatively new to a lot of this myself but I seem to think that flightsim may very well be one of the cheapest hobbies there is. Just think....

 

In this day and age--with flightsim software being where it is--you can pilot an almost true-to-life 737 or 777 out of a wonderfully detailed OMDB, KSFO, etc. for a couple of thousand dollars. Of course, I'm calculating in some solid hardware, software licenses, etc. but whether you like to enterain the new P3D version or FSX or X-Plane or what not, all told, it's a hobby with relatively good value.

 

But back to the P3Dv3, the much improved VAS architecture and sim engine appear to make it a great idea.

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Well, phase one complete! (Though I wasn't able to avoid detection by the wife radar...but hey, I'm still alive!  :vava: LOL)

 

Made a few updates to the rig:

  • Purchased/Installed the 4Gb GTX 960 GPU mentioned previously
  • Purchased/Installed updated cooling fans as well as two additional fans (changed my Corsair h100 to push/pull config)

 

The addition of the new fans, plus the change in config let me push the overclock a tad as well, so I'm now a stable 4.4ghz. Nice and cool, idling at 28-30C, full load at 68C, not too shabby!  :Nerd:

 

Phase two is next, looks like the P3Dv3 installers are starting to roll in. I'd like to start the transition this month as I'm excited to see how the upgrades work out. But, I'd still like to see a few more installers, and I need to spread the costs out as this change will hit the pocket book for a while to come. Hopefully, the upgrades get me the intended results! 

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