# A normal checklist from a real airline?

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Hi guys!

Im wondering: Why is that difficult to get real documentation from real operators? I'm trying to find a normal checklist for the 737. Sure, i find lots of them, but all made by someone. Most of them have missing items, or use a random flow, others are excessively verbose etc.

I want to use the real stuff. A checklist used by an airline: delta, american, united, etc.

Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks

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Because it is for internal use ONLY! There is a whole lot of security and legal issues that could occur if they were just released to the public, and there are some companies making a living from selling checklists and A/C manuals. For any given aircraft there is no single checklist or SOP. The aircraft factory have a set of minimum procedures that are to be followed, but most airlines/operators will add items to suit their operation.

I make my very own SOPA (Standard Operating Procedure Amplified) for each aircraft I fly. It's part of the learning process.

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why don't you use Boeing's recommended SOPs ? good enough for me. Some airlines are lagging because they make their SOPs suitable for many variants of the 737, I am only concerned with the NG.

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Hi,

I think that Boeing SOP are the best (for a not professional pilot at least)..short and coincise ..many airlines use those checklist indeed.

I remember my last experice into a fixed base B738 trainer (B738 FTD): Great experience ...screen= 6 30° wide projectors with a wonderful scenario...etc..the most difficult thing? They use Ryr checklist format..that is quite different from Boeing's one (i.e. ryr groups togheter taxing and takeoff checklist voices etc.) now I was trained to use Boeing ones...the most difficult part of the preflight was challenging with those "new" (for me) and "strange" checklists

Best

Andrea Buono

sorry guys,

I meaned Boeing checklists..

I misunderstood the question...(SOP n ot checklists)

Ciao

Andrea

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I assume you mean the glareshield check list?

This is ours current as at 30JUN15 for the B737-800, cut and paste of course, as I cannot provide a copy of the original copyright document. It is one double sided A4 piece of paper, laminated and kept on the glareshield.

This is it in its entirety, except for one security item which I have removed.

PREFLIGHT

Oxygen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Tested, 100% C, F/O

switches . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NORMAL, AUTO F/O

Window heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ON F/O

Pressurization mode selector . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Flight instruments . . . . . Heading ___, Altimeter ___ C, F/O

Parking brake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set C

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CUTOFF C

BEFORE START

Transponder. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Fuel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .___ KGS, Pumps ON C, F/O

Verify CENTER TANK FUEL PUMPS (as required) ON

Passenger signs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ F/O

Windows. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Locked C, F/O

MCP. . . . . . . . V2 ___, HEADING ___, ALTITUDE ___ C

Takeoff speeds . . . . . . . . . . .V1 ___, VR ___, V2 ___ C, F/O

CDU preflight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Completed C, F/O

Trim. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ UNITS, 0, 0 C

Taxi and takeoff briefing. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Completed C

BEFORE TAXI

Generators . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On F/O

Probe heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ON F/O

Anti-ice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ C, F/O

Isolation valve . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Recall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Checked C, F/O

Autobrake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RTO F/O

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IDLE detent C

Flight controls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Checked C

Ground equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Clear C or F/O

SHUTDOWN

Fuel pumps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set F/O

Probe heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OFF/AUTO F/O

Hydraulic panel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set F/O

Flaps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .UP F/O

Parking brake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ C

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CUTOFF C

Weather radar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Off F/O

SECURE

IRSs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Emergency exit lights . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Window heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Packs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

APU. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ F/O

That is it.

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I wonder if the OP is not differentiating checklists and flows.  Checklists as alluded tend to be quite short and concise...and while I've seen variations, tend to be very close to the Boeing SOP ones.  Flows however to set up the appropriate panels seem to be the most varied.  In particular, what is divided between PF and PNF can be quite different.  Look for user made checklists for the FS2Crew NGX Reboot.  The 3 different SOP's are based on real world flows and checklists (SWA, Virgin, RyanAir).  A good way to see where the major differences lay.  And if you have the NGX, consider buying the FS2Crew program.  It makes a much more immersive world.

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I assume you mean the glareshield check list?

This is ours current as at 30JUN15 for the B737-800, cut and paste of course, as I cannot provide a copy of the original copyright document. It is one double sided A4 piece of paper, laminated and kept on the glareshield.

This is it in its entirety, except for one security item which I have removed.

PREFLIGHT

Oxygen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Tested, 100% C, F/O

switches . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NORMAL, AUTO F/O

Window heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ON F/O

Pressurization mode selector . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Flight instruments . . . . . Heading ___, Altimeter ___ C, F/O

Parking brake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set C

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CUTOFF C

BEFORE START

Transponder. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Fuel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .___ KGS, Pumps ON C, F/O

Verify CENTER TANK FUEL PUMPS (as required) ON

Passenger signs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ F/O

Windows. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Locked C, F/O

MCP. . . . . . . . V2 ___, HEADING ___, ALTITUDE ___ C

Takeoff speeds . . . . . . . . . . .V1 ___, VR ___, V2 ___ C, F/O

CDU preflight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Completed C, F/O

Trim. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ UNITS, 0, 0 C

Taxi and takeoff briefing. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Completed C

BEFORE TAXI

Generators . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On F/O

Probe heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ON F/O

Anti-ice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ C, F/O

Isolation valve . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Recall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Checked C, F/O

Autobrake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RTO F/O

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IDLE detent C

Flight controls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Checked C

Ground equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Clear C or F/O

SHUTDOWN

Fuel pumps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set F/O

Probe heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OFF/AUTO F/O

Hydraulic panel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set F/O

Flaps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .UP F/O

Parking brake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ C

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CUTOFF C

Weather radar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Off F/O

SECURE

IRSs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Emergency exit lights . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Window heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Packs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

APU. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ F/O

That is it.

Thank for this Sir

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Why is that difficult to get real documentation from real operators?

Because the people employed by real operators like to keep their jobs.  Every airline I have worked for expressly prohibits the distribution of company materials.

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Joe is right. I have the official checklist from a well known Euro carrier from someone, they told me to keep it to myself.

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I assume you mean the glareshield check list?

This is ours current as at 30JUN15 for the B737-800, cut and paste of course, as I cannot provide a copy of the original copyright document. It is one double sided A4 piece of paper, laminated and kept on the glareshield.

This is it in its entirety, except for one security item which I have removed.

PREFLIGHT

Oxygen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Tested, 100% C, F/O

switches . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NORMAL, AUTO F/O

Window heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ON F/O

Pressurization mode selector . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Flight instruments . . . . . Heading ___, Altimeter ___ C, F/O

Parking brake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set C

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CUTOFF C

BEFORE START

Transponder. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Fuel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .___ KGS, Pumps ON C, F/O

Verify CENTER TANK FUEL PUMPS (as required) ON

Passenger signs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ F/O

Windows. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Locked C, F/O

MCP. . . . . . . . V2 ___, HEADING ___, ALTITUDE ___ C

Takeoff speeds . . . . . . . . . . .V1 ___, VR ___, V2 ___ C, F/O

CDU preflight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Completed C, F/O

Trim. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ UNITS, 0, 0 C

Taxi and takeoff briefing. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Completed C

BEFORE TAXI

Generators . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On F/O

Probe heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ON F/O

Anti-ice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ C, F/O

Isolation valve . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . AUTO F/O

Recall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Checked C, F/O

Autobrake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RTO F/O

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IDLE detent C

Flight controls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Checked C

Ground equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Clear C or F/O

SHUTDOWN

Fuel pumps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set F/O

Probe heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OFF/AUTO F/O

Hydraulic panel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set F/O

Flaps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .UP F/O

Parking brake. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ C

Engine start levers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CUTOFF C

Weather radar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Off F/O

SECURE

IRSs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Emergency exit lights . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Window heat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

Packs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OFF F/O

APU. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___ F/O

That is it.

Are the BEFORE TAKE OFF in here?  Flaps and trim setting? EDIT: OK I see what you have done. But you could of removed a less critical item. :smile:

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Are the BEFORE TAKE OFF in here? Flaps and trim setting?

the remaining checklists (Before t/o, after t/o, descent, approach and landing) are on the control column for the airline checklist mwa05 pasted.

Just so everyone knows, the checklist pasted is effectively the normal checklists normally found in the qrh that came with the ngx. Just double side print those.

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Sorry to but in slightly, when I went on 737 flight experience last year, one of the things I was quite keen to do, was a calling the checklist, and I explained this to the instructor. He said ok.

The only real checklist I could do for practical reasons was the 'Before take off'. Obviosly previous flows would be missed, because we are only doing take off and landing in a circuit. However to my dismay he wasn't calling what sounded like the normal check list. It wasn't based on something like you have posted, or simular to fs2crew. That is not to say it was totally wrong, maybe it was a longer more detailed checklist?

It was something like:

Fuel flow

auto brakes

centre fuel pumps

strobe lights

landing lights

transponder

brake

flaps

Is this wrong, or just a longer checklist or a different SOP?

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Check out FSPS Ultimate Checklist \$0.00

http://goo.gl/WllVOG

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Different checklist. Most airlines use the manufacturer (Boeing) formatted checklists. Most, not all. They're in the QRH you got with the ngx.

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The thing to remember is that in normal operations, procedures are accomplished by scan flow and in general only safety-critical items are then checked when the checklist is read - you don't 'read and do', the idea is that everything in the checklist should already have been done by the time you call for it. Most of the longer 'checklists' that are produced for FS are actually more like tutorials/step-by-step procedure guides.

As has already been mentioned, airlines sometimes create their own checklists to fit their own SOPs and their own ways of working. However, having said that, at least one large airline that I'm aware of has been through a "Back to Boeing/Airbus" push recently to align themselves with the original Boeing procedures and checklists, as found in your PMDG documentation!

In your case, Julian, it's hard to comment but it could either have been a customised checklist (I'm not familiar with the 737 particularly, or the related FS2Crew procedures) -- all of those items (apart from fuel flow) are fairly standard before takeoff items -- or was the instructor simply verbalising the flows?

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Simon you mentioned, you don't 'read and do', well part of the checklist that i have (before takeoff checklist to the line) when you get to takeoff briefing - the captain reviews the critical items at that callout -

Items to review include, but are not limited to:

- Packs

- Bleeds

- Speeds

- SID - include initial turn requirement

- Stop altitude - The captain shall first refer to the FMC LEGS page, then point

to and call the hard altitude previously noted or inserted. The captain shall then point to the selected MCP altitude and confirm that it is the same value as on the FMC LEGS page and call “SET.”

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Yes, but it's a review of the briefing that has already taken place and the stop altitudes etc should have already been set. The packs, bleeds etc will then be set later when entering the runway as part of the line-up flow. So it's still not 'read and do' -- that would be reading PACKS.... OFF and actuating the switch at that time.

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You are checking packs are AUTO and bleeds are on. Why have you mentioned PACKS OFF? This review is still part of the checklist list. But i know what you are saying!

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I'm not particularly au fait with FR's procedures, but the takeoff brief review is just that. You're reviewing what you discussed in the takeoff brief that you did at the gate (packs/bleeds on or off). The packs/bleeds would generally be set ON (or AUTO) after engine start. If you're doing a packs-off takeoff (and I don't know what FR's policy is but I imagine it might be necessary for performance reasons on occasion if not to save a few kilos of fuel), the packs & bleeds will still be on at the point you review the takeoff brief, because it's not time to turn them off yet. So checking at this point achieves very little.

In the case of a packs-off takeoff, you would generally, set them as briefed (i.e. either left alone or turned off) later - during runway entry, then turn them back on (by scan flow) around Aa, then check that you have actually turned them back on in the after takeoff checklist (which is when packs/bleeds not selected on becomes safety critical -- and if you're turning them on in response to the checklist, it's because you've forgotten to do so as part of the after takeoff flow).

The review is part of the checklist, but the items listed are, I would suggest, more of an aide-memoire. You're certainly not briefing any new information -- you're just repeating/reinforcing/confirming what you've already done, so that your oppo doesn't forget to turn the packs/bleeds off in a moment if that's what's required for performance reasons. Likewise checking the SID is correctly programmed and the stop altitude is correctly set is a sensible thing to check, but you should already have done this back at the gate and if you're doing it when you review the routing, again it's because you've forgotten to do it earlier (and therefore the checklist has achieved it's purpose).

As I say, you're still performing everything by scan flow, then checking/verifying afterwards with the checklist.

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Well i can't share this operators procedures too much, but if wing anti ice is not needed for taxi they configure for a "Before Taxi - No Engine Bleed" prior to taxi and after engine start.

I get what you are saying simon its certainly is highlighting key points and a reminder for the crew up front.

This operator also has a scan flow after takeoff - (flaps up no lights) During the After T/O Checks the Air Conditioning & Pressurisation check is and should be read aloud.

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Hi,

I think you are getting your Flows (memorized items) and Checklists (performed and recalled via paper checklist) confused. For starters, your not going to find ANY airline flow anywhere and as for the 737 checklist it's Boeing's checklist with some in house additional items added.

If you want to become proficient in the 737, work on your flows. The best books available can be found by Capt. Mike Ray of UTM.

That's it.

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Mike was that for me?

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Hi Vernon,

No, the original poster.

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Hows the NG build going? I'm settling with FlyEngravity and visiting leystad where the simulator centre is to have a look at it before purchase.

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You can find a lot of good stuff by just searching the internet, using carefully chosen keywords. :smile:

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