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PA23 AZTEC F 250 Released!

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Alabeo just released the PA23 AZTEC.  Check it out!

 

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Hi Ron,

 

Yes but I do not own the aircraft yet.  I just made the announcement so others can check it out.  But it looks like it will have the same AP as in all other twin engine aircraft.  The Alabeo website has more information on what's included and some specifications.

 

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Jim does this plane have an Autopilot?

 

cheers!

 

Apparently it also supports the GTN 750:

 

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It looks really nice, however everytime I buy something from them I'm disappointed and wish I hadn't purchased it. These guys really know how to make things look pretty though. I think I'll wait for reviews.

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It looks really nice, however everytime I buy something from them I'm disappointed and wish I hadn't purchased it. These guys really know how to make things look pretty though. I think I'll wait for reviews.

 

I have just read (seconds ago) a very positive review on FB by someone who happens to be a real world Aztec pilot. Excellent frame rates and performance very close to the real world counterpart.

Just for your and others' information. I will pass on, I am low on money.

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Hey Alabeo you do realize a Stormscope is not a weather radar right?

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  Got it. It looks okay.   However, small snag.   When passengers door is activated, the nose luggage door opens.   

   Most passengers won't fit in there. :smile:

                CJ

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Installed it today with no issues in P3D V3.1, overall nice model. Performance seems realistic as I did a TAS check using the supplied cruise performance charts that are included and it was within a few knots of the published figure with MP and RPM set by the chart. All the avionics and autopilot (old school Piper Altimatic III) work just fine.Nice cockpit lighting with a red overhead dome light.Has animated doors, side window, cowl flaps and chocks etc.

 

Minor gripe is the limited landing light illumination and the prop sounds are just so-so.Not sure how they have modeled the Stormscope as it is a lightning detection instrument and will not detect precipitation as a weather radar does.Did a quick test with a preset thunderstorm and nothing displayed on the indicator, then tried it with ASN in rain as there were no active TRW's in the USA and it was blank as well.The manual does not elaborate how they set it up for use in the sim, or is it realistic or a "radar like device" for sim world?

 

Otherwise nice graphics, no obvious bugs, simple to fly.I fired it up without reading anything for a quick test, about fifteen minutes into the flight I had a total electrical failure.Okay, what's up with this?

 

At first I thought it was a bug because I was messing around with the autopilot when everything goes dark.Take care to check the alternator switches that are located to the right of the de-ice switch row.Dark switches on dark background are not so obvious when the lights go out.  :wink:

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Purchased and installed this aircraft today for FSX. I have no real world experience in the Aztec however I have always been very fond of this twin engined Piper aircraft. It is a very stable aircraft  and is easy to hand fly. I enjoy "old school" cockpits yet the GTN 750 integration went well. The textures are great inside and out and there seems to be enough documentation included to get one up and running with this airplane. Night lighting for the cockpit is not bad at least in my opinion. I wish both Carenado and their cousin Alabeo would use dimmer switches for their interior lighting. One area that could be a weakness is the interior sounds for the aircraft engines. One other item that I found somewhat troublesome is the location of the ADF control head--it is at the bottom of the radio stack and some what hard to tune if prop and mixture levers are full forward. Other than that so far so good. I do hope that Raymar will do a review on this aircraft as I understand he does have real world flight experience in it.

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Agree with the good comments above, however, the alternator inop lights and gauge (at least for me) are erm, inop and the selector knob has no clickspot. Also the heater/fan switch below it isnt active. Otherwise very happy. Hoping for some repaints (esp G reg) as my painting skills are non-existant!

 

Wish they would tie the side window to a shift-E key combination for accu-feel users (it will work if you click it then shift-E4, but thats extra faff).

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 By and large a nice sim of great old plane.    A  couple of questions.   What Model of Aztec is this Sim ?   , the A/C cfg file indicates the propeller is to have three blades.  My Aztec has only two.

  Yet, I'd bet that for the first few flights I had on this A/C she had  three blades, but, not now.   Is this possible or what ?   :smile:

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I was wondering this as well. According to the performance tables included by Alabeo this is a PA-23-250 Aztec F with a Lycoming TIO 540-C1A. It is set up to be a turbo-charged model.

 

I Googled this particular aircraft and all the pictures I saw of it, this particular aircraft only had two bladed props. Not sure why the cfg. file indicates three blade props. So far each flight I have flown with this aircraft, I only have two bladed props--maybe I need to take it back to the mechanic and tell him I've been robbed!

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I'm not impressed with the prop sounds.  This is really a fundamental part of making an aircraft like this immersive.  I flew on an Aztec a number of times as a passenger  and these sounds are not particularly amazing. (only okayish). 

 

As for the rest.  Excellent

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It looks really nice, however everytime I buy something from them I'm disappointed and wish I hadn't purchased it. These guys really know how to make things look pretty though. I think I'll wait for reviews.

If that's the case you'll be disappointed with this one too. As someone else pointed out they are advertising an F model but used turbocharged engines. I'm disappointed about this. There are no prop feathering animations, which to me are pretty important in a twin. I tried shutting down an engine in flight and feathering the prop and it just kept spinning. During approach the gear warning was going off but the gear were down and locked, and the nose wheel steering stopped working after touchdown. The sounds are mediocre and the documentation is a few scanned pages from the POH.

 

I've only taken one flight so maybe it will grow on me but this particular aircraft is exactly what you'd expect from Alabeo and nothing more. I desperately want a proper light piston twin for FSX/P3D and I had high hopes for this one, but other than the pretty visuals it's a disappointment for me. I had heard that A2A was doing a Piper Seminole and was ecstatic about this, but it appears they are instead doing an Aerostar. I really wish A2A would do for piston twins what they did for piston singles.

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Bought and have been flying the Aztec and have been pleased for the most part.  I seem to be having problems with the autopilot in that the pitch trim wheel won't always engage with the pitch button which also won't always turn on.  Also, the coding on some of the autopilot controls seems iffy as the selector knob turns in the opposite direction occasionally.  I also had to go into the aircraft config. file to up the maximum manifold pressure limits to something more realistic.

 

I too don't have much time in the real airplane but always felt it was the easiest airplane to fly either single or multi-engine and also gave good performance for what it was.  The FSX version replicates that in almost all respects.  Very happy to see this one come out.

 

rf

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I'm not impressed with the prop sounds.  This is really a fundamental part of making an aircraft like this immersive.  I flew on an Aztec a number of times as a passenger  and these sounds are not particularly amazing. (only okayish). 

 

As for the rest.  Excellent

Eric,

 

I can't agree with you more.  As a matter of fact, I commented on that very thing in another thread regarding this very plane.  If you'll notice, Alabeo has started to make "custom" sounds for most of their models. Customs is just that.  The sounds are pretty much made up to match the models fit.  Their sister company Carenado does at times say "recorded from actual aircraft" but that's been more of a thing of the past as opposed to here lately.  This "custom" sounds thing really caught my attention when Alabeo released their Piper Brave model.  Anyone that's ever heard a Piper Brave in real life will immediately know this sound.  Growing up as a kid in rural Louisiana, an Ag Pilot had several of them and I'd watch them fly all the time.  They have a distinct putt, putt, putt sound. I always said to myself what a really weird sounding airplane.  I never forget it.  The same goes for this airplane.  It would really be nice if Alabeo either reduced the price of their planes, or charged a bit more to get realistic sounds.  I'm pretty sure someone will be developing a sound set for this plane and once you add the cost of the plane to whatever cost the sound set will be, you're up to the a nearly $50 price tag.  It's unfortunate, but I usually always end up paying the extra for the sounds to get the total immersive factor like you talked about.

 

Gary

 

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As someone else pointed out they are advertising an F model but used turbocharged engines. I'm disappointed about this..

 

Why?  The F variant was available in both turbocharged (using Lycoming TIO-540-C1A engines with automatic wastegates) and non-turbocharged (Lycoming IO-540-C4B5) versions.  Frankly the fact that they decided to produce the turbocharged option makes it more desirable to me, not less.

 

I'm not surprised about the sound complaints, that's for sure.. As Carenado's visuals continue to improve, their sound quality continues to underwhelm.  Hopefully aftermarket sounds become available.

 

Scott

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As it was pointed out in a previous post, I also simulated an "engine out" (right engine mixture lever in full cutoff position) and with right prop lever in full feathered position, the prop continued to windmill. Unless I missed something, this is not good!! Has anyone else tried this with the same result?? If this is a bug, I sure don't know how the beta testers missed this one. I am using FSX

 

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I'm having no problem whatsoever feathering the props. Very realistic behavior.

 

Very impressed with this aircraft. A great simulation!

 

P.S. Sounds and lighting are good on my setup. Autopilot behaves perfectly as it should.

 

An Alabeo Home run for me.

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Why?  The F variant was available in both turbocharged (using Lycoming TIO-540-C1A engines with automatic wastegates) and non-turbocharged (Lycoming IO-540-C4B5) versions.  Frankly the fact that they decided to produce the turbocharged option makes it more desirable to me, not less.

If engine management were even a little bit important with an Alabeo aircraft then I could see some added value in having the turbo in the form of additional challenge and immersion. Since it doesn't matter at all how you treat the engines, the turbo "feature" is like a magic superpower which to me is silly. I would also personally rather have normally aspirated engines because that's what I would be more likely to encounter and fly in real life. If you want the turbo then congratulations on getting what you wanted.

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This is the aircraft (well, the C-model anyway) I cut my teeth in as a young lad flying charters in outback Australia, 300 or so hours. It's been a while, but the handling feels familiar. The Hershey bar wings deliver a roll response similar to a 747 but they enabled us to take full loads into some pretty tight spots. My boss called her endearingly the "Ashtruck"!

 

There seem to be a few bugs with this one though. As others have found, I can't get the props to feather either (P3D3). Runup at 2,000 rpm the governor barely responds to pulling the prop lever fully back. In flight I tried fully shutting down the engine and simply by bringing mixture forward got it going again, even with mags off!

 

The sound is really, really bad! Especially from the cabin. Nothing like any small twin I've ever flown.

 

Ah well, I bought it more or less for sentimental reasons only. Don't think I'll be spending much time in it unless there's a major revision. The go-to small twin as far as I'm concerned is still the Milviz B/E-55, although it's far from perfect (I have about RL 300 hours in them too). On that note, I don't consider the Duke (Realair) a small twin, so you can't compare them.

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I'm having no problem whatsoever feathering the props. Very realistic behavior.

 

Very impressed with this aircraft. A great simulation!

 

P.S. Sounds and lighting are good on my setup. Autopilot behaves perfectly as it should.

 

An Alabeo Home run for me.

+1.

 

It's not perfect, but a great value at $35.

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Did a shutdown and restart in flight using a joystick and slider for throttle, mouse in VC for prop control. Could not bind a button or key in P3D setup for feather action. using a mouse I could not get to the feather stop and of course the prop is windmilling. Reduced operating engine to idle and performed a power off stall, the dead engine prop then stopped and visually appeared in the low rpm, high pitch blade position.Trimmed it up and flew for a while, all the time the failed engine prop remained stationary.

 

Setup for a restart, fuel selector on, mixture rich, quick fuel pump prime, mags on and engaged the starter and it starts up.Just like I have done many times as an instructor with real world twin engined aircraft.

I am going to hook up my throttle quadrant setup and try a shutdown, I am wondering if the feather function needs to be bound to an axis as that is an option in P3D settings axis menu.

 

JesC can you comment on your controller setup that allowed getting a feathered prop?  I agree the prop sounds and lever motion could use a modification but single engine operation was nice, trimmed it up a bit and reminded me of the real thing. I did charter flying for a Piper dealer back in the day and the turbo Aztec was a nice ride, no bad habits.

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