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Ok then, did anyone happen to notice that there are no instructions in the tutorial? The tutorial starts out saying "ok, go to full power!"...And i'm like ok how do I do that? Where are the instructions for the tutorial. hahaha this is just absolutely crazy. I have always had a very keen eye to seeing flaws in products and this one is a HUGE DOOSEY!!!!

 

I thought tutorials were supposed to help acclimate the user to the controls/buttons that make the software work......

 

I think that in the effort to make this as real as possible the devs thought that adding that information in the tutorial would lessen it's realism. 

Well great job!!! You have made it just like a real plane.....NOT USER FRIENDLY!

 

I am pretty certain my refund request will go through....Just a waste of bandwidth that I cannot get back.


NEVER HAVE EXPERTS WRITE INSTRUCTIONS......THEY CAN NEVER REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE A BEGINNER and therefore CANNOT TEACH!!!

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With all dure respect, it's a $15 game.

Did the tutorials in FS9 & FSX give instructions that meet your approval, or did you demand refunds there as well?

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I also wondered about the difficulty of finding the basic sim operation instructions (ie. not how to fly, but how to operate the simulator itself)

 

There is a PDF manual included with the product, but no Help button in the game to bring it up. You need to know to look in the steam folder, or open the steam application and there's a "Manual" link in the library. Why in the world would you not put a Help button in the game?

 

FSX includes tutorial missions that describe the basic keyboard shortcuts and also "getting started" instructions in the learning center. A new install of FSX takes you to a welcome movie that then directs you to go try the tutorials. This is separate from the FSX flying school itself.

 

So I do think FSX has more guidance for the beginner than Flight School

 

The GUI itself is not perfect either. Many of the command icons are at top or bottom left of the screen, while the help tips appear at the bottom right. It would be difficult to get the helpful prompts any further away from where the user's attention is focused.

 

I like the product and the potential of where DTG may go with it but there's also plenty of room for improvement.

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There is a PDF manual included with the product, but no Help button in the game to bring it up. You need to know to look in the steam folder, or open the steam application and there's a "Manual" link in the library. Why in the world would you not put a Help button in the game?

If DTG can be blamed for dropping the ball anywhere then not pointing users to the manual has to be right at the top of the list.


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I don't own this, but I watched some videos on YouTube. Doesn't it show what keys to use in red text at the top of the screen? I saw this when it asked to raise the flaps

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I don't own this, but I watched some videos on YouTube. Doesn't it show what keys to use in red text at the top of the screen? I saw this when it asked to raise the flaps

 

Yes there are flying tips that pop up if the game thinks you're forgetting something. This is the same as in FSX. I always forget about this feature because turning it off is one of the first things I do during setup, but yes that may be helpful for the beginner.

 

Jumping straight into the flying lessons may not be the best idea. I did some free flights to make sure my controls were working and the sim was running smoothly before trying the lessons. I think that's why FSX has the tutorial missions and suggests beginners start with those.


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Barry, I did the same thing. I flew a half-dozen or so free flights while setting up and calibrating my CH Yoke, rudder pedals, and all the buttons and rockers per my usual scheme.

 

By doing this, I was able to breeze through the first lessons. Okay, I had to repeat two of 'em but nailed 'em on the second attempt. :dance:


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With all dure respect, it's a $15 game.

Did the tutorials in FS9 & FSX give instructions that meet your approval, or did you demand refunds there as well?

.....I have never played FS9 or FSX so I could not tell you that. You kinda made my point....You obviously have used other flying sims and used this one so I do not think you really have any say in this question at all. You are an experienced person who has forgot what it was like to start out knowing nothing.

 

I don't own this, but I watched some videos on YouTube. Doesn't it show what keys to use in red text at the top of the screen? I saw this when it asked to raise the flaps

No, there are no pop ups in red text to show you what keys to press in the tutorials.

Look here if you do not believe me --->> 

 

If they are in the game somewhere else then I think someone put them in the wrong place. The tutorial is DEFINITELY where that type of help should be. If it is also in another part of the game that is fine but a MUST HAVE IN THE TUTORIAL. 

 

Yes there are flying tips that pop up if the game thinks you're forgetting something. This is the same as in FSX. I always forget about this feature because turning it off is one of the first things I do during setup, but yes that may be helpful for the beginner.

 

Jumping straight into the flying lessons may not be the best idea. I did some free flights to make sure my controls were working and the sim was running smoothly before trying the lessons. I think that's why FSX has the tutorial missions and suggests beginners start with those.

No, there are no pop ups at all in the tutorial....(SEE ABOVE LINK)

 

Gee so proud of you that you one of the first things you do is to turn off this feature you are speaking of...

YOU ARE AN EXPERT AND HAVE NO BUSINESS ANSWERING THIS QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Gee so proud of you that you one of the first things you do is to turn off this feature you are speaking of...
YOU ARE AN EXPERT AND HAVE NO BUSINESS ANSWERING THIS QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I was responding to someone else's post when I wrote that.

 

With your attitude I doubt you'll make much progress in flight simming, nor will members here feel inclined to help you, so it's probably just as well you're getting a refund.


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With all dure respect, it's a $15 game.

Did the tutorials in FS9 & FSX give instructions that meet your approval, or did you demand refunds there as well?

Well they are selling this as a beginners learning how to fly sim and I will have to agree with the OP.
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No, there are no pop ups at all in the tutorial....(SEE ABOVE LINK)

 

Gee so proud of you that you one of the first things you do is to turn off this feature you are speaking of...

YOU ARE AN EXPERT AND HAVE NO BUSINESS ANSWERING THIS QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, chosen screen name notwithstanding, such a "sharp edge" to your posts is not welcome. Please try to be less confrontational and polite.

 

With that out of the way, I have to agree with your observation regarding the total lack of on-screen help, and especially the fact that DTGFS does not provide any on screen notification that one must look in thus-and-so folder to find the bloody documentation!

 

At the very least, there should be a HELP tab on the top level menu with a list of keyboard shortcuts that will be required for each lesson.

 

For example:

How on earth is a totally new user supposed to know that the F1, F2, F3, and F4 keys control the throttle?


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At the very least, there should be a HELP tab on the top level menu with a list of keyboard shortcuts that will be required for each lesson.

 

For example:

How on earth is a totally new user supposed to know that the F1, F2, F3, and F4 keys control the throttle?

 

 

I also find the settings a bit mysterious:

 

For instance, what exactly do the various levels of the "Graphics" settings control?

 

How about "aircraft?" What exactly changes and to what degree when you change those settings?

 

Scenery?

 

Weather? In Flight school, what are you controlling? Coverage? Range? Both together?

 

Traffic? Is all traffic controlled by the one slider? Boats and cars? Are there Boats?

 

A little help? Why aren't there tooltips?

 

There is a rushed vibe I'm getting from Flight School. Like they ran out of time.  :unknw:

 

How do I make an informed choice about what settings I might want to alter for smoothness sake, if I'm not exactly sure what they do in Flight School, and to what degree?

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Okay, chosen screen name notwithstanding, such a "sharp edge" to your posts is not welcome.

I was a sheet metal worker for 18 years.....Sheet metal has a sharp edge.......Thus the username "A Sharp Edge"

I try and be nice but it seems there is always some people who have to push back and go against what you are trying to say....Like the second post for example right off the bat.

 

I am happy to see I am not the only one who thinks there should be a tutorial in the tutorial.....I'd say 80% of the people agree. 

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I agree with the OP and found the product to be very poorly supported by instructional features.  There definitely should be more information about minimum system requirements since this new sim is much more demanding than the Steam version of FSX.  I requested a refund at the end of my first day with it (which hasn't been paid, by the way).  I should have known what I was getting into from the aggregate score of the reviewers, which was almost evenly divided between thumbs up and down.  I would have to conclude that there would be zero chance of my buying the full version when it is released.  How successful do you think a product will be when they have disqualified a big chunk of their potential market before it even hits the shelves?  A smart businessman would probably pull the plug right now.  Did they learn nothing from their predecessors?

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Guys, chill... It's only a $15 game. Very confusing to me that well established simmers are getting FlightSchool & giving such major moans for it. Leave it to the newbies & DTG's target market. Get over it, it's NOT meant for us. 


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