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Hello guys.

 

I really like Ezdok shake effects. But I don't want to use it because I really hate the view system, and the need to completely set your views by yourself. I got really used to the default FSX view system. Is there any way to use only shake effects from Ezdok?

 

Or.. is there anything else, which has good shake effects? I saw Opus, I saw AccuFeel. But none of it seemed natural.

 

Thanks!

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Gosh, setting your own views is, perhaps, the big benefit of EZDoc.  I can usually have my views for an airplane set up in about 2 minutes.  What don't you like about it?  Maybe there's some adjustments.   

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I completely agree with the OP. I am unable to freely move around the cockpit with SPACE + mouse movement and that's a huge deal breaker. Having predefined views doesn't cut it for me.

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It is the most easiest way to setup your own personal camera views. It takes max 2 minutes per aircraft

 

Its my absolut best add-on for flight simulation.

 

Whats not to like ?

 

Michael Moe


I completely agree with the OP. I am unable to freely move around the cockpit with SPACE + mouse movement and that's a huge deal breaker. Having predefined views doesn't cut it for me.

Why not just use the arrow keys for moving around the aircraft with EZCA ??

 

 

Michael Moe

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Too slow. SPACE + Mouse is much faster and much more efficient than using EZDOK. I can simply move up, zoom in with the mouse if required, click that switch i need to click, and return to my main view with the same efficiency.

 

It's a shame you cannot switch off the view system and use the "shaking" alone :sad:

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Too slow. SPACE + Mouse is much faster and much more efficient than using EZDOK. I can simply move up, zoom in with the mouse if required, click that switch i need to click, and return to my main view with the same efficiency.

 

It's a shame you cannot switch off the view system and use the "shaking" alone :sad:

 

Exactly my point!

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Too slow. SPACE + Mouse is much faster and much more efficient than using EZDOK.

 

I'm not trying to sell it to you but you can use middle-click/mouse-move just as efficiently.  If you want it to move faster, you can adjust that.  There's a lot that's customizable.  You can assign single keys to create a view on precisely what you want at what angle you want.  Hit the key, you're there, hit a button and you're right back.  Over time I've learned a great deal about how to make it do a lot of things.

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I've tried it Gregg, believe me, it just doesn't suit my needs, or maybe i can't get used to it :(

 

My license probably expired already anyway.

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I've tried it Gregg, believe me, it just doesn't suit my needs, or maybe i can't get used to it :sad:

My license probably expired already anyway.

 

If speed is the issue, I'd go into the settings and speed them up.  Maybe even turn off the transition speeds so that it's instantly there on the new view when you click.  Make sure P2P is on so you can use the arrow keys and mousewheel (or zoom keys) to quickly zoom in and out...you can do this on a view by view basis.  You can also cycle from view to view to view very fast using a couple of keys if the little C button is clicked on a view.  I even have a view switch on the side button of my mouse.  You can even turn off the infernal click sound when switching views. 

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I consider Ezdok very unfriendly and tedious to setup. However, once Ezdok IS setup, it is just as easy, if not easier, to use than default FSX view system; middle mouse to look, scroll wheel to zoom, arrow keys to move about cabin, pgup/pgdown to move up/down.

 

Those that are steadfast and patient with the program, are definitely rewarded.

 

That said regarding OP's question, I don't see why Ezdok could not use the most of same FSX keys and end up with a near same view system as FSX default.

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That said regarding OP's question, I don't see why Ezdok could not use the most of same FSX keys and end up with a near same view system as FSX default.

 

I get their point, I think.  I remember giving up the space-bar mouse-click when I got EZDoc.  I didn't like it but the additional views and ability to assign buttons and keys to them won out.  Honestly, I'm still learning things about it and generally find a way.   I watch a lot of youtube videos and I ask myself "how did they do that?" and I go digging. 

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Too slow. SPACE + Mouse is much faster and much more efficient than using EZDOK. I can simply move up, zoom in with the mouse if required, click that switch i need to click, and return to my main view with the same efficiency.

 

It's a shame you cannot switch off the view system and use the "shaking" alone :sad:

 

I use space + mouse with ezdok.  In they key settings, you can set it, but it does not display that it registered.  So you can't "see" in the little box that it captured the command, but it in fact does.  Be sure to unbind space and space^ in the FSX/P3D commands, then set it in ezdok.

 

With ezdok, I took my time to setup one aircraft.  Then I save out the entirety of everything I've set as a file.  With each new aircraft I simply open that file and then spend about 2-3 minutes adjusting for the new aircraft.  

 

Also, keep in mind you can bind hat switches to individual views.  On my left hatswitch and rocker I have the following:

Left rocker: VC

Right rocker:  Lower panel/Switch Panel

Left hat:  Left window looking out

Right Hat: Right window looking out

Up Hat:  Overhead console

Down Hat:  G1000 or GNS750 view

 

Then the right rocker is for changing category (left/right) and cycling through views (up/down).  The above is a great setup combined with space bar to look around.  There isn't one thing I would want on top of what ezdok offers.  

 

Again, you CAN use space bar to look around.  Go in and register the keystroke in the key settings but remember it will NOT show you that it registered.  Be sure to unbind space and space^ in sim commands. 

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It is the most easiest way to setup your own personal camera views. It takes max 2 minutes per aircraft
 
Its my absolut best add-on for flight simulation.

 

Couldn't agree more!  FS without EZdok is almost unplayable for me as I found out recently when FSUIPC setting was causing EZDok issues.  I've tried TrackIR and like it but, my default is EZDok.  Only problem with EZ is that it can be difficult to set-up exactly how you want it.  However, it's not impossible just takes some investigation and patience (or, perseverance).  I'd suggest really taking some time to create the perfect settings for yourself by reviewing the MANY forum post and Youtube videos that detail processes.

 

Hang in there, I to wanted to give up on EZDok a few times but now that it's working the way I want it's indispensable!

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investigation and patience

 

Well stated.  I've only had it about a week.  Watched a few youtube vids and went to work.  I'll confess it was initially quite frustrating.  Probably for a solid few hours till I got one plane setup up decent.   Once I found the button assignments for individual camera views I really started liking it.  I tweaked the cameras on that one aircraft for a few days into perfection.  Now I've copied and adjusted them to others with ease.  

 

I'll agree ezdok may not be the most user friendly, but it is a very powerful tool, and like other powerful tools it really doesn't shine till you've gotten the hang of it.  

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Indeed it is. Also the cool cinematic effect you can choose to have between cycling the cameras is genius. Even the speed can be adjusted

 

Michael Moe

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Oh, I almost forgot.  Since you can save the settings for aircraft out as a single file, you can email them.  As an example, I've got a carenado ct206h setup pretty well, if this were one of the aircraft you wanted setup I could send you the file.  They are super easy to load and save.  I use the feature to load one file I've done onto fresh aircraft  I haven't setup yet and then just adjust them.  But with how many users are on avsim there is a good chance if you ask someone has already done the work and would save it out and share it with you.  If you want to add to, adjust, or change the aircraft a little from that point it'd still save you a bit of time.  

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I'd urge anyone having problems with Ezdok to persist with it. I can't manage without it anymore. Once it crashed mid flight on me and I literally couldn't complete the flight without having to load Ezdok back up.

 

The space/mouse view thing is replaced by holding the middle button and dragging. Only 1 hand needed. You can speed it up or slow it down. Even on the fastest setting which is way too fast, I don't understand how someone can say it's too slow. It sounds like you haven't played about with it enough. If anyone can give me a reason why having to use the space bar (needs 2 hands) is better, then I'd love to hear it.

 

Same goes for the arrow keys and pg up pg dn keys, which are used for moving about in 3 dimensions. They can also be sped up or down. And as for the ability to set you own views and apply key short cuts to them, why would this not be an advantage over the default viewing system?

 

I do accept the point that the installation and initial setup is tricky when doing it for the first time. But when you get past that and get it set up just the way you like it, for me, there's just no going back.

 

Lastly, once you have everything set up to your liking, you can save it to a file and load it into another aircraft, so instead of having to set up views all over again, you can take your original file and just tweak it slightly for different aircraft.

 

To the OP: I hope you don't think we're all coming down hard on you, it's just very difficult for a long time user to comprehend how anyone could think the default viewing system is more superior. I suggest you stick with it for another while. Watch some videos showing how to use it. Once you have it set up to your liking you'll be glad you stuck with it.

 

Oh, and for the record, I love hearing the little clicky sound lol. I don't know why but it's like the sound of satifaction when I flawlessly float from 1 view to another  :lol:

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A quick question for you EZDOK experts.   I somehow have lost the view switching capability via the joystick #2 button.  It used to work fine but now it does nothing.

 

When it worked, each press of the button would change from the VC view to an outside view of the aircraft, then a tower view and finally back to VC view.  I tried uninstalling EZDOK/EZCA and reinstalling the latest version but no luck getting that function back. 

Also tried adding the button in the EZDOK interface but no cigar. 

I'm hoping there's a simple solution.   Thanks!

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A quick question for you EZDOK experts.   I somehow have lost the view switching capability via the joystick #2 button.  It used to work fine but now it does nothing.

 

No EZDok expertise here but if you have FSUIPC installed, I would check the setting there as my previous problem (which seemed to come out of nowhere) was due to a change in FSUIPC setting.  If not FSUIPC (probably isn't), have you cleared the button layout in your simulator to ensure there aren't any conflicts?  Finally, you may want to do a quick Google search on the problem - there will surely be a bunch listings that may give you an idea on how to resolve.  Trust, there is a resolution out there...

 

Good luck.

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Thanks for your quick reply!

 

I should have mentioned that I did double-check the FSX control settings to make sure that there were no conflicts. 

I do have the full FSUIPC and will double-check that as well, but I haven't touched it since it was installed and set up initially.

 

I definitely have checked Google but could not find a similar issue.  Also checked the EZDOK support link (I believe it is in SimForums.com) but no luck there, either. 

I think what messed things up was that I tried to install the "free" Windows 10 upgrade (currently running Win7) and it could not install and reverted back to Win7 but appears to have messed things up for EZDOK.   It's the only change that I have attempted fairly recently. 

Thanks again!

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Another fan here.

 

A tip for setting up.

Create the PIC ( pilot in command) position first.

Right click the view and clone.

Select the clone and then edit and move your camera to a new view i.e down and right for the pedestal or up for an overhead. Then save this view.

Rename the view (a bit janky, I found you have to click several times before you can rename)

Rinse and repeat, always starting at the PIC view, then clone, then edit.

I find doing it this way gives you a nice transition between views. The zoom is cloned and the height distance etc of your view somewhat replicates just moving your head around.

I set up another views of instruments for example when close up work is necessary.

I also bind my internal views to my num pad. I use Nbr 5 for PIC then select the numbers around that to sort of replicate moving my head in that direction. Eg Nr 2 is look down. Nr 0 is look back over my left shoulder, Nr 6 would be the FO position. BTW I bound the Period key on the num pad as my edit key so I can use the complete num pad for various internal views.

Sort of like X-Plane you might say.

 

As others have mentioned after saving your settings, import it to a new aircraft and edit as necessary.

 

Another thing I do is limit my external views to just 4 or 5 interesting ones. I figure if I can afford to be outside admiring the view then I have time to use the sims built in views etc.

 

Cheers,

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(a bit janky, I found you have to click several times before you can rename)

 

One a fairly rare feat of document reading, I saw that you have to click three times.

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Open the ezca config and go to the view you want to move around in. turn on the POV (I think) green button, that let you use the keyboard arrow keys to move around and page up/page down for up and down. Hold the middle mouse button and move the mouse for a mouse look too. Can't live without ezdok.

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Thanks for your quick reply!

 

I should have mentioned that I did double-check the FSX control settings to make sure that there were no conflicts. 

I do have the full FSUIPC and will double-check that as well, but I haven't touched it since it was installed and set up initially.

 

I definitely have checked Google but could not find a similar issue.  Also checked the EZDOK support link (I believe it is in SimForums.com) but no luck there, either. 

I think what messed things up was that I tried to install the "free" Windows 10 upgrade (currently running Win7) and it could not install and reverted back to Win7 but appears to have messed things up for EZDOK.   It's the only change that I have attempted fairly recently. 

 

Thanks again!

Are you running windows defender? The latest update on windows 10 causes windows to have a bit of a falling out with the exca.exe file. You'll need to add an exclusion in windows defender. Ezdok stopped working for me recently, and adding this exclusion fixed my problem.

 

Having said that, your symptoms arent the same as mine. For me, I couldn't get ezca.exe to lad at all. But still, it's worth a shot.

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I love everything about EZDOK and am trying really hard to see it any other way. But I can't. It's versatile and 100% customizable. It does take patience to understand.

 

Personally, I have a ton of fun setting up all of my custom camera views for every aircraft, each mapped to hat switches. One hat controls basic views, like front, back, right, left and forward. The other hat gets me close to panels, gps, etc. Couple that with TrackIR, and it's the next best thing to Oculus.

 

It may be useless for flying tubes for all I know. I only fly prop GA aircraft.

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