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GPS for A2a Cessna 172.

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I just started flying my C 172 this week after many months of only flying commercial passenger jets. I have the Mindstar 530 GPS, and tried programming flight plans into it and many of the waypoints to even appear. So I purchased a years subscription of Real Nav Data thinking that maybe the database is too old, and same exact issue is the result, which makes this GPS totally useless for flying with Pro ATC or any other flight plan generators. I see others have posted the same issue on the Mindstar forum. Now my question is, does anyone know of a better GPS that will work in the C 172 and be able to use common waypoints in the flight planning?   

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Bob,

 

Flight1 has the GTN650 or GTN750 that work with the A2A C172

 

Fly safe

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I have the GTN750 from Flight 1, It works great. A2A supports it well - you dont have to edit any config file or anything. 

 

You can download the GTN 750 trainer (Free) from Garmin and try it out. 

 

thx

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Bob,

 

Flight1 has the GTN650 or GTN750 that work with the A2A C172

 

Fly safe

 

Yup, no question. GTN650 or GTN750 (preferred).

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Here is an example of what I am going through with the 430/530 GPS.  These waypoints will not even come up, with the latest Nav Data 1607. Is anyone able to pull up even one of these in the GTN650.  I hate to spend another $70 and be in the same position I am now. On the other hand, maybe these GPS units just don't do waypoints, because i have no problem with it finding airports. and VORs. 

 

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I am currently at work but I will look into I this evening unless someone else can verify it for you first.

 

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Hello Bob,

 

I just ran all of your waypoints through the GTN750 and they are ALL there!

 

Go for it!! :good:

 

Russ

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Here is an example of what I am going through with the 430/530 GPS.  These waypoints will not even come up, with the latest Nav Data 1607. Is anyone able to pull up even one of these in the GTN650.  I hate to spend another $70 and be in the same position I am now. 

 

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Why dont you try it for yourself, download the Garmin Trainer Lite from Flight1 (which is also required if you purchase the GTN650 or 750):

 

http://www.flight1.com/link.asp?id=gtn  its about 1.8gb

 

Trevor

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Last question, 650 or 750. I have read the info on Flight 1 website, but can't figure out which to get. 

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I went for the 750 and i'm very happy with it.

 

Here is some food for thought,  A great little piece from TJ

 

 

 


If you like big moving map displays and magenta lines, get the 750.  
 
If you are an old school pilot who prefers to use the primary flight and nav instruments, get the 650, it is much less obtrusive.  A GTN 750 in a 1960s Cherokee is like putting a modern automobile gps, backup camera, bluetooth/wifi interface in a 1960s car  Not only does it spoil the look of the vintage VC, but if you are into realism, it would be very unlikely to see a brand new $25K USD piece of avionics in a 50 year old airplane worth about $30K-40K USD   Even the 650 is pushing it but at least it is smaller and much less obtrusive.  Yes it requires a few more clicks to get the same info, but at 110kts you have plenty of time to press buttons.  
 
I have both, and find the 650 perfect for typical GA cockpits.  The 750 is ideal for extreme high performance aircraft like the Turbine Duke, in which things happen very quickly and you need info promptly, but for a much slower 182, Cherokee, 172, the 650 is plenty.  
 
Another point in favor of the 650, being the smaller unit, it will likely see more addon compatibility because it will require less panel redesign from the developers.  Tandem/Single seat aircraft with fighter type cockpits will likely only have room for the 650 as well. 
 
Cheers
TJ
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I went for the 750 and i'm very happy with it.

 

Here is some food for thought,  A great little piece from TJ

 

 

Thanks, that is exactly the info I was looking for. The 650 will be it, you can't get much older school than me...... :wink:

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Last question, 650 or 750. I have read the info on Flight 1 website, but can't figure out which to get. 

With the 650, the display is sort of small when compared to the 750. Keep in mind that both Flight1 units work in the VC of a number of aircraft by default and if you go to the official Flight1 forum for the GTN units, there is a thread that describes how to install the units into almost any VC. The only problem with the GTNs is that the user can't constantly update the Navaid database and one has to wait until Garmin has issued an update to the GTN trainer app. The most recent Navaids version is AIRAC Cycle 1513 and Flight1 has not yet updated this by default.

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Just for clarification, Jay, let me get this right as this thread has intrigued me as I have several A2A aircraft. I have a Navigraph subscription so are you saying that if I opted for either of these GTNs from Flight 1 I would not be able to use the AIRAC cycles from Navigraph?

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Just watched the video on the Flight 1 site on the 750. Wow, that looks pretty cool... Might change my mind. 

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Just for clarification, Jay, let me get this right as this thread has intrigued me as I have several A2A aircraft. I have a Navigraph subscription so are you saying that if I opted for either of these GTNs from Flight 1 I would not be able to use the AIRAC cycles from Navigraph?

No you cant use navigraph. If you know someone at your local fbo with access to the update thats the only way to get updates

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If you know someone at your local fbo with access to the update thats the only way to get updates

 

 

Actually, someone started a thread awhile back on the official A2A forums where they posted an updated AIRAC that was developed for the GTN units in just this fashion. After that one version, the person never updated the files, though.

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Nothing is easy...  I purchased the P3D version of  the GTN 650, downloaded the Trainer light, installed everything, and when I start P3d it says." F1 GTN error.. Incompatible simulator version, current version 3.2.3.16769, these gauges will only work with P3D. You are either running hem in FSX SP2/acceleration or in a newer unsupported version of P3D.. . Well that is the version of P3D I have, 3.2  I click OK, the C 172 comes up with the old GPS,,,   :fool:

 

Then the other issue is the configurator is supposed to give you a look at the panel when you set it up, and all I get is a black box with nothing in it. Guess I have to fill out a Flight 1 ticket now....

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Just run F1 update tool. It will update to newest version.

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Just run F1 update tool. It will update to newest version.

 

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Also run the a2a configuration utility so you can assign the GTN 650 to your C172.

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"Also run the a2a configuration utility so you can assign the GTN 650 to your C172"

 

This

 

Also, as suggested above, use the F1 updater tool to update the GTN.

 

Fly safe

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Got it all working. I updated it last night which was the first bump in the road solved, and then the tool I used to extract the Trainer Lite messed it up somehow, and I didn't see the install file that was part of it. I extracted it again, ran the trainer lite setup and now everything works. And I tried a couple of waypoints that Mindstar couldn't find, and they popped right up.... :smile:

 

Just played with it this morning and programmed in a flight plan in about 2 minutes that would have taken me much longer in the Mindstar GPS, even if it could have found any of the waypoints. 

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Just wanted to thanks the folks for recommending the Flight 1 GTN series. I have been flying it in the A2A C 172 ever since I installed it. It is fantastic, in fact, I haven't found anything that it does do perfectly. Maps, charts, procedures, it is all there. It installs easily and perfectly in both A2A aircraft I have, the 172, and the Cherokee 180. I forgot how much fun it is to fly both these aircraft, and with the GTN 650, it is a thrill.   

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