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Alex Kulak

Rumors about NGX V3

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Hello,

 

I was shown an article the other day online by a friend saying that there was a secret from PMDG that NGX V3 was coming out.

 

I asked myself questions.

1. Where is V2? I dont consider the expansion pack V2.

2. If you guys release a version, how much will it cost and or will it be released as SP1E?

3. Whats the wait time?

4. what will be included? (Cockpit Visualization fixes, ACARS, Split Scimitars which you guys have been yelled at by many people since Boeing created them, etc.)

 

 

Link to the website that I was shared :http://flightsimcentral.net/pmdg-hint-ngx-v3/

 

Thank You,

Alex Kulak 

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saying that there was a secret from PMDG that NGX V3 was coming out

 

Not sure how that would be a secret. It was pretty much stated outright and not simply hinted at. This is something we've been pretty open about, particularly since the sim hardware we'd be using for the NGX-based sim in the Sim Center will require an update to the existing code.

 

 

 


1. Where is V2? I dont consider the expansion pack V2.

 

V1 was the original FS9 737 that was released in the early 2000s.

V2 is the current FSX version that was released in 2011, and is currently offered on our website.

 

 

 


2. If you guys release a version, how much will it cost and or will it be released as SP1E?

 

We don't discuss prices until we're ready to release something. The method of how it will release is something we'll determine in the future as well. The DC-6 hasn't been moved into FSX and P3D yet, and the 747 hasn't even been released. Those are the priorities.

 

 

 


3. Whats the wait time?

 

We don't discuss release dates.

 

 

 


4. what will be included? (Cockpit Visualization fixes, ACARS, Split Scimitars which you guys have been yelled at by many people since Boeing created them, etc.)

 

As we develop our aircraft, we usually add (and - rarely - occasionally drop) modeled features as we go. What's included is something to be determined pretty far out into the future.

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Well i would suggest split scimitars, and a cockpit visual fix more than anything at this point before the MAX gets released to WN, and that becomes your priority. 

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Well i would suggest split scimitars, and a cockpit visual fix more than anything at this point before the MAX gets released to WN, and that becomes your priority. 

 

Noted.

 

...and before what becomes our priority?

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I didn't know you guys where doing an NGX V3...since when was this announced? 

 

Isn't officially announced. It was simply an acknowledgement in the livestream that is linked in the first post. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the 737 product will need some code changes in order to get it to work in the full flight deck sim we're building for it down the line, so it's going to get work at some point.

 

The depth, project name, and so on, have not been discussed as we have a number of other things on our plates now.

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full flight deck sim

 

will this be a separate product? or is it for colleges, flights schools, etc.

 

please define what you mean by " full flight deck sim"

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Very interesting that PMDG staff would love to do a Boeing 727 or a Boeing 707... Unfortunately, they think it wouldn't sell... I'd buy a well made 727 instantly, not just because it is an aircraft that reminds my childhood, but because it's an "analogical Boeing" that teaches a lot about radio navigation, performance calculations and system workings of a Boeing jet prior to computers to control them. Much more interesting and chalenging to fly an analogical Boeing than to fly a "digital Boeing" that makes all work for you...

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Very interesting that PMDG staff would love to do a Boeing 727 or a Boeing 707... Unfortunately, they think it wouldn't sell... I'd buy a well made 727 instantly, not just because it is an aircraft that reminds my childhood, but because it's an "analogical Boeing" that teaches a lot about radio navigation, performance calculations and system workings of a Boeing jet prior to computers to control them. Much more interesting and chalenging to fly an analogical Boeing than to fly a "digital Boeing" that makes all work for you...

unfortunately, thats outdated, people would buy it, fly it for 3 days, and then forget about it. Itll be hype for 3 months and you wont hear anything about it, kinda like the MD11. An update to the NGX (AN UPDATE! NOT VERSION) would be a lot more in there favor. The only thing I can see pmdg releasing a V3 for the NGX is if they actually fix the cockpit, but if they're not going to do that and add split scimitars and change the coding around a little, and fix bugs. Theres no reason for them to be calling it a V3 and selling it. I dont expect PMDG to even say anything bout the NGX for the next 3 years because of 2 other projects they have been working on to release. If they are fixing it for a full cockpit simulator, they shouldnt make all of us have to go pay for the version, just release it as a whole new product for that simulator, because most of us cannot afford a full cockpit simulator.

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Dang it...don't sidetrack these folks from the Queen's release...

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unfortunately, thats outdated, people would buy it, fly it for 3 days, and then forget about it. Itll be hype for 3 months and you wont hear anything about it, kinda like the MD11. An update to the NGX (AN UPDATE! NOT VERSION) would be a lot more in there favor. The only thing I can see pmdg releasing a V3 for the NGX is if they actually fix the cockpit, but if they're not going to do that and add split scimitars and change the coding around a little, and fix bugs. Theres no reason for them to be calling it a V3 and selling it. I dont expect PMDG to even say anything bout the NGX for the next 3 years because of 2 other projects they have been working on to release. If they are fixing it for a full cockpit simulator, they shouldnt make all of us have to go pay for the version, just release it as a whole new product for that simulator, because most of us cannot afford a full cockpit simulator.

Many aviation companies don't expect pilot candidates to master the 737 NG or the A320, but they expect them to have a solid understanding of navigation, chart reading, performance calculations etc... So, the 727 would be like a ground school to aviation and jet systems. On the other hand, the MD-11 was a very complex aircraft that required a lot of study, but all this effort would be useful only for the MD-11, not for a general understanding of aviation... That's the difference between making a 727 and a MD-11... Nevertheless, the MD-11 was a great aircraft to model, unfortunately wasn't very adopted because it is made for a small public of affectionate enthusiast...

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Loved the PMDG MD11 but it's common knowledge it didn't sell well...Damned if I know, still fly it to this day. Magnificent jet.

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I like the classic jets too it's a shame the MD-11 didn't sell in higher volumes.  I'm a late adopter to the 737 though just bought it this week had another vendors version but the support there was slow and has now ceased.  With P3d continuing to evolve I hope that PMDG will continue to support the product as long as possible. For a 2011 release it really still holds it's own, I'm enjoying it very much.

 

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Please fix the cockpit geometry. Windows are way too big. 737 flightdeck is cramped.

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Very interesting that PMDG staff would love to do a Boeing 727 or a Boeing 707... Unfortunately, they think it wouldn't sell... I'd buy a well made 727 instantly, not just because it is an aircraft that reminds my childhood, but because it's an "analogical Boeing" that teaches a lot about radio navigation, performance calculations and system workings of a Boeing jet prior to computers to control them. Much more interesting and chalenging to fly an analogical Boeing than to fly a "digital Boeing" that makes all work for you...

 

I would LOVE a PMDG level 707 but in all honesty single pilot operation of a heavy jet with a crude autopilot that demands raw data navigation is quite simply beyond the skill level of most simmers. Heck, most line pilots would struggle to nicely fly a raw data SID with no flight director and that's with someone else twiddling all the knobs and tuning all the radios. It's just about doable in the glass jets because a lot of the workload is taken off you. The amount of preparation that would be needed in terms of getting hold of charts, setting outbound courses, working out DME fixes and intersections would make any instrument flying incredibly hard. It's all doable of course, but I just don't think it would stack up. Most of us would buy it, look at it, fly it around for a bit and realise how hard it is, and go back to the 73/7/47.....

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Please fix the cockpit geometry. Windows are way too big. 737 flightdeck is cramped.

 

So this point has been bandied about pretty well here and elsewhere. And IIRC, RR has stated why it's, er, largely the case but I would need to verify that. But...

 

I think the, er, point (sorry, I'm punny tonight) is that a lot of this sentiment comes from the fact that the default eyepoint is set waaaay away from where it should be, to accommodate the HGS. I do this in all sim aircraft: turn around 180* and then move the eyepoint so that it's only slightly ahead of the headrest. Or slightly above or below, wherever you think your eyeballs actually are in the cockpit of the aircraft. You know, the eyepoint. You will lose good HGS positioning but again, I think PMDG did that on purpose in order to deal with the sim-imposed constraints. But I feel like this point hasn't been made either at all, or enough.

 

That said, the windows and cockpit geometry will look far better. In fact, my brother has a position that will go unnamed but rides jumpseat every now and then. He rode along in a 739 recently and sent me a shot. I, nerdily I might add, attempted to recreate the shot and was pretty close. Given the eyepoint, especially from the jumpseat, PMDG's cockpit geometry is pretty close.

 

Edit: in fact, it just so happens I have the screenshots:

 

IMG_2477.jpg

 

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Please fix the cockpit geometry. Windows are way too big. 737 flightdeck is cramped.


 

 

Unless they can figure out   a way  to  fit  the  hud in correctly  you will find   this  wont happen

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Many aviation companies don't expect pilot candidates to master the 737 NG or the A320, but they expect them to have a solid understanding of navigation, chart reading, performance calculations etc... So, the 727 would be like a ground school to aviation and jet systems. On the other hand, the MD-11 was a very complex aircraft that required a lot of study, but all this effort would be useful only for the MD-11, not for a general understanding of aviation... That's the difference between making a 727 and a MD-11... Nevertheless, the MD-11 was a great aircraft to model, unfortunately wasn't very adopted because it is made for a small public of affectionate enthusiast...

That's why you see ground schools using 727 or 707 simulators to prepare pilots for airline employment. Except they don't. You can learn about raw data aviation in a modern simulator with modern systems. Ideally the type you are going to do your flight training in.

 

 

That said, the windows and cockpit geometry will look far better. In fact, my brother has a position that will go unnamed but rides jumpseat every now and then. He rode along in a 739 recently and sent me a shot. I, nerdily I might add, attempted to recreate the shot and was pretty close. Given the eyepoint, especially from the jumpseat, PMDG's cockpit geometry is pretty close.

Your pictures show the oversized window problem rather well and it isn't improved by positioning the eyepoint further back. Your view of the panels is, especially the overhead, but that's another matter.

 

Personally I don't mind about the large windows, but I would prefer it if the HGS was collimated for the correct eyepoint. I assume that wasn't possible for some reason.

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Your pictures show the oversized window problem rather well and it isn't improved by positioning the eyepoint further back. Your view of the panels is, especially the overhead, but that's another matter.

 

That may be but the pictures serve to provide some, ugh (again, the puns), perspective. The running issue is, oh man--the puns again--exaggerated, IMO. The sentiment I generally hear is "they're portholes that look like bay windows!" Simply not the case. I could be straw-manning the issue here but who knows. It's 4:30am here so I could have worse problems.

 

And by the way, give credit where credit is due: how many folks complain about an issue--or defend against one--and actually show some relevant screenshots? I may be spouting off but at least there's more than the "I think..." or "it seems like it should look like..." So, to the extent this helps or hurts, so be it...

 

Lastly: clearly my brother took the actual photo in portrait whereas any screenshot coming out of any FS will be in some derivative of landscape, solely based on prevailing monitor resolutions. And then there's accounting for zoom, that eyepoint could still be off, and numerous fs camera settings, etc. etc.

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Loved the PMDG MD11 but it's common knowledge it didn't sell well...Damned if I know, still fly it to this day. Magnificent jet.

 

So even the real world selling situation was simulated in that package. 

That's what I call attention to detail.  :Tounge:

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Slightly off topic but I looked at that link Kyle provided to FDS. They are kind of implying that the new 747 will work with their hardware? Is the release version going to have built in support for their hardware?

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Would be really cool if the MAX was an addition to the package and also a scimitar winglet option for the current NG,, Even better if they picked up a 4th party program for shared cockpit like the Majestic Q400. One can only wish :spiteful:

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