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What's the status of flight simulation software?

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Hey, I've been away from flight sims for a while, can you guys share what has been going on?

Is there any new platform? Does people still use FSX? Did P3D succeed in rewriting FSX core improving its performance/stability?

Thanks in advance for the updates!

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Get FSX Steam, it's much better. I don't know a thing about P3D. There are a number of great add-ons too numerous to mention. Have fun.

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FSX Steam is good if you can get it on sale.  The Steam Xmas sale should be coming up so you may not have long to wait.

 

Having said that, P3D is the future and the way to go.  You can spend months reading through threads here (and you should).

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FSX Steam is good if you can get it on sale.  The Steam Xmas sale should be coming up so you may not have long to wait.

 

Having said that, P3D is the future and the way to go.  You can spend months reading through threads here (and you should).

I dunno how clear it is that P3D is the future. XP11 seems like it may be interesting in the long term. 

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Alright guys thanks for the feedback, but, is FSX Steam a improved version of FSX Acceleration?

I mean, in terms of performance and stability.

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For now, I would agree that FSX:SE is the way to go.  There are a few things in flux, but it will likely be sometime before we see anything that should cry loudly for a move from FSX:SE.

 

Best wishes.

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Hey Guys,

 

I believe that in the interim, FSX-SE is a sound choice (particularly based on a sale  price.  P3D is, I believe more advanced and may require a better system.\

 

However, if not in any great hurry, I would very much advise a look at the new XPlane11 demo and or wait for what I believe, is an imminent 64bit P3D and indeed imminent 64 bit FSX-SE.

 

I believe that in six short months we could all well be looking at a whole new world of Flight Simulation.  Holding off also offers the advantage of starting off fresh with 64bit add-ons and not having to buy and then replace the 32bit stuff with 64bit.

 

I hope this is a reasonable viewpoint and would point out that it is my point of view only.

 

Good luck with any decision you make

 

Regards

 

Tony Chilcott

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Hey Guys,

 

I believe that in the interim, FSX-SE is a sound choice (particularly based on a sale  price.  P3D is, I believe more advanced and may require a better system.\

 

However, if not in any great hurry, I would very much advise a look at the new XPlane11 demo and or wait for what I believe, is an imminent 64bit P3D and indeed imminent 64 bit FSX-SE.

 

I believe that in six short months we could all well be looking at a whole new world of Flight Simulation.  Holding off also offers the advantage of starting off fresh with 64bit add-ons and not having to buy and then replace the 32bit stuff with 64bit.

 

I hope this is a reasonable viewpoint and would point out that it is my point of view only.

 

Good luck with any decision you make

 

Regards

 

Tony Chilcott

 

Wait there is going to be a 64 bit FSX-SE? I thought that wasn't happening.

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Hello again,

 

I believe there is going to be.  Its release was originally scheduled before the end of this year but has been delayed.

 

There has also been a lengthy pause in any details coming from Dave Martin (Dove Tail Group) but very recently he stated that there would be a news update in the new year.

 

One can only assume that it will be about a new release date and not one that reveals DTG has folded its 64bit  plans due to the imminent release of XPlane 11 and the rumored P3D 64bit release.

 

We are all agog and as I said the next 6 months could be a completely new Flight Sim scenario.

 

If you are keen to get started though, I would recommend FSX-SE from a price viewpoint.

 

Good luck again 

 

Tony Chilcott

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Hi Tony, that seems promising, I can wait I'm not in a hurry.

I just need a platform that include a SDK because I plan to build some panels.

Not sure if that the case of Xplane.

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What is the best platform is dependent on how much money you have to spend

 

FSX Steam you can find on a Steam sale for 4.99 often and more compatibility, it's a better version of FSX Acceleration

 

P3D is the future and a better choice but you need more money, it's more expensive for the base package and almost every addon charges you more for their P3D version.

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Wait there is going to be a 64 bit FSX-SE? I thought that wasn't happening.

 

No, there will be no 64bit FSX:SE.

Dovetail has said that it will be bring out it's own simulation sometime (maybe) in the new year. This, it is said, will be a 64bit product.

They have already released Dovetail Games Flight School, basically as a teaser for their forthcoming sim. Flight School cannot be expaned with add-ons, & is basically a standalone game.

 

Dovetail has said that development of FSX:SE has been frozen!

Martin, from Dovetail has said:We are fully committed to supporting FSX: SE for the foreseeable future U.C.Y.I.M.D.BEST! and we are focused on expanding the current choice of content available to simmers. This includes bringing new exclusive content to Steam. Currently, we have no further plans to update FSX: SE any further.
- Martin

 

So, DTG only have the rights to distribute FSX on the Steam platform, alongside the rights to make very minor changes.

Lockheed Martin purchased the rights to FSX - which is why P3D is basically FSX, but vastly improved -

 

The state FSX: SE is in now, is how it'll remain.

 

So, P3D has been upgraded/updated about 8-9 times, as compared to FSX:SE, which is basically FSX with it's service packs, upgraded to work better on modern PC's.(& will, eventually be released in a 64bit version)

 

So, what else is there?

X-Plane 11, just released, lookes pretty decent.

Flightgear: Actually quite a good freeware simulation, & worthy of a look.

 

Oh, as far as a 64bit sim based on FSX goes, no-one really knows it there will be compatibility issues between current 32bit add-ons & a 64bit sim. The best way to resolve this, is to regard a 64bit sim as a totally new sim, with new add-ons.

 

Just a few of my thoughts.

 

Cheers,

Robin

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Robin,

 

Very well put Sir.

 

I was referring to the FSX-SE replacement (whatever they call it) but you explained (NOT XPlaned lol) it all so much better.  I doffs me hat to you.

 

As you say, it may well be a completely new sim and it WILL be 64 bit and it MAY be worth waiting for.  I guess that, that was my main thrust to the OP.

 

Regardless, and again, my main point was the incoming new stuff which is so exciting and is worth waiting for.  

 

Regards to you all

 

Tony

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Tony,

I'm pleased that your were Prepar3D to read my X-Planation :hi: 

Not too sure what will happen next year, with people waiting, :db: patiently, :Silly:  to see what's going to happen.

There is/has been so much :Talking Ear Off: going on, & just give a shout if you need any   :help: to decide what to go for.

 

Cheers,

Robin

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I am a bit amazed by the advice to get FSXSE because, as Robin sort of said, it is just as 'dead' as FSX is now. Not really dead, of course, because new addons for it will be released for quite some time, but it doesn't have a future like P3D or XP has. The sim ITSELF has reached (some sort of) end. P3D is still being worked on although it still has quite a few of old FSX tech in it. And XP seems to be more alive than ever before. FSXSE maybe nice for NOW, specially since you can get it cheap, but t for the long run I would look elsewhere. I have been a fan of P3D for quite a few years but the XP11 beta has taken my full attention right now. There is a lot to like in it.

 

There also is Aerofly 2 but IMHO it's more some kind of flying game (right now). And I am not too excited when it comes to the new sim from Dovetail because in the end it's just a FSXSE v2, as far as I can tell right now.

 

It is quite hard, if not impossible, to give a futureproof advice but right now P3D and specially XP11 are the best options. If I would have to choose NOW I probably would go for XP, although it's nice to have P3D on the side. ;)

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I really was not interested in FSX:SE, as I already had FSX (normal). I could see no benefit at all. I eventually got P3Dv1.4, as my i5 4gb ram laptop (about 5 years old) was unable to run any later versions as it only had DX10.

 

So, as I'm not prepar3d to upgrade my laptop, which will cost a small fortune for a new one to run the news sims.

Yes, P3D is probably the way to go, eventually, as it is a very mature sim that has been taken very seriously by industry.

(I've just got a personal thing about being reliant on the way Steam works, as well as getting a sim from a gaming company, just me saying, & NOT opening a debate)

 

Having said all that, I still fly my P3D, but I'm having far mor fun with my 3x versions of FS2004!!

I have a 'normal'version, a 'Golden Wings' version & my favourite is my 'Ford Tri-Motor Project' version, with only scenery from that site, as well as all the textures there. Where else can I have ramps, sloping & circular runways, as well as a ramped runway, floating on top of a blimp. I aslo, as Garry was the custodian of Milton & team's stuff, as well as Mike Stone's planes, have their planes as well. I really support our freeware developers, as they really are the backbone of our hobby, & have not forgotten us FS9'ers.

 

That's just me saying. I've been simming since the good old FS?? days, when the sim came boxed with a coule of floppy disks.

So, I got bored of the usual point to point flying, and, as the late Garry Smith of the Ford Project fame, always said, 'Simming should be a combination of Fact, Fun & Fiction!'  Obviously, I have added stuff like Howard's 'The Natural World'& a couple of other stuff to make things look pretty'er than the defaults. ( I also have boats, trains & cars!)

 

Anyway, I really believe that what I have made from my hobby certainly does not make me a lessor simmer that those with the latest kit & add-ons, who prefer to fly 'by the numbers'!

 

Cheers,

Robin

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What's the status of flight simulation software?

FSX-SE is a lightly upgraded version of FSX Acceleration box edition. It's only available on Steam and can be purchased for as little as $5 when it's on sale. (Great value!) Most of your FSX add-ons wil work in Steam edition.

 

P3D is a commercial simulator based on FSX. It's over priced, some add-ons will need to be purchased again, and it's plagued by the 32bit limitation.

 

X-Plane11 Beta is currently available to test and IMHO it's the future of flight simulation. It's a 64bit modern sim with unlimited potential.

 

The rest of the current flight sims are not even worth mentioning.

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FSX-SE is a lightly upgraded version of FSX Acceleration box edition. It's only available on Steam and can be purchased for as little as $5 when it's on sale. (Great value!) Most of your FSX add-ons wil work in Steam edition​. Correct, Dovetail has modified it to run on more modern PC's, but still about 10 years old, without major updates..

 

P3D is a commercial simulator based on FSX. Actually based on ESP, Microsoft's commercial & professional sim.   Updated about 10 times, as compared to FSX & it's service packs! Very much upgraded.

 

It's over priced, Not for it's target market, some add-ons will need to be purchased again, Regard it as a separate & commercial sim, and it's plagued by the 32bit limitation. Yet to see a complaint from it's target market, 64bit in the pipeline.

 

X-Plane11 Beta is currently available to test Beta runs for 15 minutes & looks quite good, 2nd updated beta is out.and IMHO it's the future of flight simulation.IMHO debatable!  It's a 64bit modern sim with unlimited potential. No-one really knows!

 

The rest of the current flight sims are not even worth mentioning. ??? Aerofly FS2 looks like it could be a winner & a viable proposition!

 

​Flightgear - Freeware & worth a look, especially as they have the most detailed Space Shuttle & also very detailed cloud shadows that is unique to a sim, as well as icing.

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So, P3D has been upgraded/updated about 8-9 times, as compared to FSX:SE, which is basically FSX with it's service packs, upgraded to work better on modern PC's.(& will, eventually be released in a 64bit version)

 

You have contradicted yourself here. There will not be a 64bit version of FSX : SE.

 

EDIT: I think you may be referring to a 64bit version of P3D, but you seem to have got your English all mixed up :wink:

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Sorry, :wink: finger problems, I DID mean that P3D will eventually be released in a 64bit version!!

 

FSX:SE's development has been frozen!

 

Thanks, Chris. Sometimes I put brackets where they do or do not belong. :Cuppa:  

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As others have said here, FSX Steam Edition is a nice little bump to the performance you will get compared to the standard version of FSX. A lot of folks have moved over to the P3D system as well. I would encourage you to also give Xplane 10 a shot. I have been on MSFS for over 10 years, but just started messing with plane last year. I believe xplane has a much more realistic feel to it. Something about the graphics makes the scenery feel like it has much more depth to it. The night lighting on plane 10 is absolutely amazing. It does indeed make you feel like you are in the cockpit and the lights are far out on the horizon. 

 

If it has been a few years since you have been in the community, you probably left at a time where x-plane did not have very many options in the forms of add ons whether it be payware planes, scenery, etc. That is definitely not the case anymore. X-plane has exploded in popularity and now there are extremely high level planes being released on that platform on a weekly basis. There is a lot of high quality scenery that is freeware as well. I am not telling you to just swap to X-plane 10 and never look back, but you will definitely be doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least give x-plane 10 a try.

 

Don't let others talk about the performance on XP11 give you a bad taste. Laminar has said themselves that XP11 is HIGHLY unoptimized right now, and when the final version releases the performance will be much, much better. Right now beta performance is bad well, because it is a beta. There are still a lot of performance tweaks to be made.

 

Welcome back to the community!

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Robin,

 

Very well put Sir.

 

I was referring to the FSX-SE replacement (whatever they call it) but you explained (NOT XPlaned lol) it all so much better.  I doffs me hat to you.

 

As you say, it may well be a completely new sim and it WILL be 64 bit and it MAY be worth waiting for.  I guess that, that was my main thrust to the OP.

 

Regardless, and again, my main point was the incoming new stuff which is so exciting and is worth waiting for.  

 

Regards to you all

 

Tony

 

I'm just going to wait before making a move to another platform at this point. I was going to make the jump to p3d and I am only buying addons that can be used on both platforms at this point. That being said I may hold off on buying any new planes etc until I make a decision which platform I wish to move to. I've spent a tremendous amount on fsx and wish I could get a refund. All those fancy airports do me no good if I'm going OOM with my higher end jets. 

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Friends,

 

I've seen a lot of speculative information, some of it posted as fact, that is completely wrong - at least as far as the Interview I had with Steven of DTG in September during the Flight Sim Web Conference.  Just before that I also interviewed the head of DTG Flight Sim development team, though Steven stepped in for her for the Web Conference. Certainly things can change overnight, but I don't believe this is the case here.

 

If interested, you can watch the Flight Sim Web Conference HERE.

 

My very best wishes to all of you.

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