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Hi all,

 

Can anyone recommend a Bizjet (I prefer a long range, or at least across the pond capable) however I would like it more to be able to handle the small ORBX airfields and have VNAV/LNAV/FMC or equivalent. 

 

Joe

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to be Long Range and STOL seems a bit odd to me.... probably the closest you will find is the Citation X from Eaglesoft (if you are looking for a quality aircraft).  Tons more others out there (none that I can recommend) :smile:

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to be Long Range and STOL seems a bit odd to me

 

STOL is what I would like more but long range is an added bonus 

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I also have the Eaglesoft Cessna Citation X. It can be tricky to get working though. I've had numerous problems with it in the past. However the latest version is running a lot more stable than before.

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Across the pond? Only the Citation X can do it I think

 

If you stop I'd recommend either the XTreme prototypes Lear 25 GLJ or Flysimware Lear 35 and the F1 GTN 750

Edit: of FMC, basically the citation x from Eaglesoft is your only option. Or the PMDG NG with the -600/700 expansion as a BBJ

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The Citation Mustang can make it across the Atlantic if you island hop.  (I have one note, right?) Lands on 3,400 or thereabouts? 

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I absolutely love the Flysimware LJ35... highly recommended!  With the GTN750, it's a complete suite.

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Eaglesoft Citation X is the fastest by far.

It's a beautiful aircraft and the systems are complex but learnable.

Many other recent threads to read on this topic.

Oh and a money back Flight1 guarantee if you don't like it or it doesn't work for you.

 

Dean

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Eaglesoft Citation X is the fastest by far.
It's a beautiful aircraft and the systems are complex but learnable.
Many other recent threads to read on this topic.
Oh and a money back Flight1 guarantee if you don't like it or it doesn't work for you.

 

Stunning on the outside.  They're working on much needed improvements on the inside.  Pretty hard to program switches and buttons if you use hardware.  Nice avionics and it uses Navigraph.  As Dean says, wow is it fast.  I recently saw a real world flightplan for one from the US mainland to Hawaii.  I think it's a fairly long flight for IFR with reserves, but it made it.  Can land on 2200 ft of runway and depart on 3100 at max takeoff weight.

 

The Flight1 Mustang has a much nicer cockpit with a very good but not great G1000 that also uses Navigraph (no VNAV, can't use airways...but you can create the flight plan in Simbrief and load it which fixes the airway problem).  The FADEC in it is a work of art...just about perfect.  It needs 3400 ft of runway.  Top speed is 350ish and it's good for much shorter flights...1300 miles or so. 

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Yeah Eaglesoft are working on a new version of the Citation (the cockpit graphics are very dated by today's standards) but I believe this is a new product and it will have to be bought again. So buying the latest version could be a mistake. However, they haven't given a release date for the new version so it could be worth buying the current one.

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Thanks, It looks like the Citation, however I may wait for the new version. I've heard a challenger is also in development. 

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Thanks, It looks like the Citation, however I may wait for the new version. I've heard a challenger is also in development. 

Hi Joe,

This is NOT a dis of Eaglesoft but I cannot recommend you waiting for the update of the CX v3.  The Challenger is in development and will probably be a FANTASTIC purchase.  Eaglesoft has been developing the Citation XLS+ for several years now and have stated this is their next jet entry into the flightsim market.  I would recommend you get the Citation X v2 now for a 30 day trial and if you like it there may be a nice discount on the updated version.  Check their forum for other details.  :) 

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Hi Joe,

This is NOT a dis of Eaglesoft but I cannot recommend you waiting for the update of the CX v3.  The Challenger is in development and will probably be a FANTASTIC purchase.  Eaglesoft has been developing the Citation XLS+ for several years now and have stated this is their next jet entry into the flightsim market.  I would recommend you get the Citation X v2 now for a 30 day trial and if you like it there may be a nice discount on the updated version.  Check their forum for other details.  :) 

Ok thank you very much

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 Eaglesoft has been developing the Citation XLS+ for several years now

 

Not certain where you get this from... I've not even made it a full year yet... but hey... maybe you know something I don't?? LOL

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Sorry, you disagree Ed.  Maybe this post from Eaglesoft will help refresh your memory.

 

http://eaglesoftdg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1102

 

please see Ron's post (Dec 22, 2015) stating he promises it won't take until Christmas 2016 and Robert Kerr's post "as of April 2016, I would be at the 3 year point on the project". 

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I have to say, though...the Mustang is a frigging steal at 32.99.  Nice G1000, Navigraph, beautiful FADEC, nice sounds.

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XtremeLabs Lear here.

 

Beautiful, fast and outstanding VC.

 

Love it.

 

Mark

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I second the XL Lear25 & definitely agree re the VC.

 

Recently flew it across the pond to Norway via Greenland & Iceland. Unfortunately can't do it in one hop but is a great aircraft. 

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I"ve said it in all these kinds of threads, the above suggestions are all great choices.  Permit me to offer one a little more outside of the box.  If your intention is to travel far, fast, and get into reasonably small runways...ie under 3000', consider the A2A Civil P-51 w accusim & GTN650 or RXP430.  The P-51 will get you across the pond with stops in Gander and Iceland, it is as fast as the straight wing Citations, and with a proficient pilot at the controls, will get you in and out of 2500-3000'.  

 

I say 'proficient' pilot, because it is a plane that lets you know it is a very high performance machine and requires you be on the ball.  It will bite you hard if you get lazy.  Unlike a lot of simulated "high performance airplanes", many of which are very very nice otherwise, but don't quite convey the realistic sense of this high performance beast will kill you if you aren't on your on the ball, not like they do in real life anyway.  The Civil P-51 does convey that message, very well I might add....for example, take your head off the runway for a second during takeoff and you'll find yourself headed toward the weeds in a hurry lol.  Likewise, landing in a crosswind, you have to be on your airspeeds like a hawk, while doing the taildragger rudder dance if you don't want to groundloop...granted it isn't as hard to land in X-Wind as the T-6 IMO.  Along with that sense of really flying a 'beast', if you do it well, it is very rewarding.

 

A few weeks ago, I flew the Civil P-51 into Telluride KTEX, at night on an RNAV approach in IMC....AP off of course :P (sure you can do it with AP on, but where is the fun in that?...why be the passenger when you can be the pilot lol, I mean if you owned a Jaguar XKE, would you drive around with the cruise control on all the time? :Big Grin: )....do you know how hard it is to spot runway lights in dark IMC when there is a big black nose sticking out the front of the airplane?  You have to keep the plane fast enough so the nose is reasonably low...so you can see....then when you do see the runway lights...slow the damn thing down and try not to run off the other end of the runway lol.  I made it, the landing wasn't the prettiest, but boy, it was sure exciting! :)

 

Anyway, the Civ Mustang is just another idea for the pot, a challenging one if you like challenges.  That and the roar of a V-12 sounds a lot better than the little hair dryer engines of the Citation.  (j/k, the F1 Citation Mustang is an excellent choice too)

 

Cheers
TJ

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One Business Jet that can definitely make it across the pond, is the Boeing 737 BBJ, and you get a variety of them in the iFly 737 NGs package, as well as the 600, 700, 800, 900, and the ER variants. It's a bargain when you consider how many variants you get for that price. Runs well on fairly modest systems too.

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Lots of assumptions going on.  I've put in about 12 months of work on this addon thus far... not that anything you've brought up indicate absolutely anything about my time involved... but hey... you're all the experts... not like I know what I'm up to or anything.

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Lots of assumptions going on.  I've put in about 12 months of work on this addon thus far... not that anything you've brought up indicate absolutely anything about my time involved... but hey... you're all the experts... not like I know what I'm up to or anything.

Not sure why our claim seems to bother you so much, Ed.  For the life of me, I can't find anything here that refers to the amount of time you have worked on the XLS+.  I have simply stated (and proven) that Eaglesoft Development Group has been developing the XLS+ for years.  One of Eaglesoft's own developers claims he has been working on it since 2013.  Personally I have grown weary of any claims from ESDG and if you are now their "spokesperson" , my fears  may be justified.   :Worried:

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Not certain where you get this from... I've not even made it a full year yet... but hey... maybe you know something I don't?? LOL

 

 

Lots of assumptions going on.  I've put in about 12 months of work on this addon thus far... not that anything you've brought up indicate absolutely anything about my time involved... but hey... you're all the experts... not like I know what I'm up to or anything.

 

We were just responding to your comment from earlier, highlighting the timeline that didn't align with your remark. That's ok, right? To offer comments that may not align with your comments and then provide our data to support those remarks?

 

We can do that on Avsim, right?

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