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Cannot somehow envisage it happening as Just Flight are also developing one.

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Not exactly the big seller that PMDG would be looking for.

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Sure, they'd sell about as many as Vickers did . . . on the other hand, I've actually seen this aircraft in action since the British mission in Washington, D.C. had at least one for various diplomatic activities. It is one of the most amazingly loud transports that ever operated out of IAD! Presumably, the RAF version made no attempt at silencing . . .

DJ

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5 minutes ago, ubersu said:

Sure, they'd sell about as many as Vickers did . . . on the other hand, I've actually seen this aircraft in action since the British mission in Washington, D.C. had at least one for various diplomatic activities. It is one of the most amazingly loud transports that ever operated out of IAD! Presumably, the RAF version made no attempt at silencing . . .

DJ

I remember seeing them all the time here growing up. One of the loudest that ever came in, and my old house was right under 1L (now 1C).

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That was one of its drawback, the loud noise and at the time it was in service, with cities implementing noise abatement restrictions, it became a no-no buy for airlines. But because it was an ideal aircraft for hot weather high altitude ops, like at Nairobi airport, it was popular with British United and East African Airways. Now, as regards the RAF, as it operates out of bases that do not come under the strict noise-abatement policies of major cities, it operated out my former base, Brize Norton, without any restrictions. 

I lost count the number of times I have had a coffee mug go slithering off the window ledge as my service quarters were close to the runway at Brize Norton, as it took off at all hours of the day or night.

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This one is louder still!

And this one  go to 18 minutes to hear it from the cockpit. Sadly the only VC10 that works properly in any sim are my updated panels of David Maltby's Super VC10 in FS9. Having said that there is an event during the let down that is modelled "only" in FS9. Eat your hat P3Dv4!!

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I grew up watching VC10's and later my father lived under the Brize approach so one could sit in his garden and have one's ears assaulted regularly. It was of course the fastest subsonic airliner ever built and nothing else has ever come close to it in that. Gorgeous plane, staggering performance and very much missed.

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Apart from the politics which was all down to Guthrie bad mouthing the VC10 at ever opportunity and hiding the fact that the VC10 was BOAC's most popular and profitable a/c! Yes it should be modelled by someone. I am not  modeller so it won't be me. The reason it should be modelled is its historic importance within aviation. It was innovative and cutting edge to say the least. The wing was a super critical design. The 10 was the first T tail to not have deep stall characteristics. Unlike the BAC1-11 and Trident. They did more than 2,000 stall tests and could not deep stall it. Because of this it was initially decided to not fit a stick pusher but Vickers being the belt and braces company tht they were fitted in the end. I have modelled the stick pusher in my panel updates and as far as I am aware it is the only a/c in the sim world with that feature modelled!

Both Concorde and Airbus owe their existance to the design innovation of the VC10. The A380 has the same Kuchemann wingtips and undercarriage! And performance wise only the A320 can match it on take-off today. The VC10 with a full payload could still take-off one third of the way down Heathrow's runways and be at 2,000ft while the 707 was still on the ground!

I corrected DM's model to have the right %MAC in order to use the proper tail plane incidence table. And also the engines were completely remodelled as they were all MS default thrust originally. P7 took forever to do and so on. So the air file tables are as close as I can get them. As an aside I wonder how the VC10 would translate to XPL in that the wing being super critical has three planforms. The airfile table takes an average.

I'd love to be able to do a model for P3Dv4 but as I said I'm not a modeller and also my teeth are becoming exceedingly long nowadays. I have no experience at all in creating VC cockpits etc. Systems, gauges and stuff certainly but not the actual model. But yes it is a dream to one day see a sim model of the VC10 to PMDG's high standard.

 

 

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On 5/29/2017 at 9:37 PM, G7USL said:

 

The guy at 5:37 not watching the landing :bengong:

 

What a plonker.

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2 hours ago, nealmac said:

The guy at 5:37 not watching the landing :bengong:

 

What a plonker.

That video clip is famous for the little girl's comment right at the very end!!

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Yeah I love the little kid's British Accent at the end- try to find a little small child in America using such descriptive works and a complete sentence, "That was actually quite deafening wasn't it?" 

And the fellow not watching the landing - well, some folks I guess go to this stuff but don't really care.  Maybe he was making an emergency run to the restroom.

Love the plane, but I don't see it as part of the PDMG business model anytime soon.

Mark Trainer

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14 hours ago, vololiberista said:

That video clip is famous for the little girl's comment right at the very end!!

I didn't hear what she said. It was quite deafening :wink:

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On 5/31/2017 at 0:54 AM, vololiberista said:

I'd love to be able to do a model for P3Dv4 but

Have you inquired into working with the Just Flight team on their VC-10? I would think your knowledge would be valuable to them.

Ted

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1 hour ago, Ted Striker said:

Have you inquired into working with the Just Flight team on their VC-10? I would think your knowledge would be valuable to them.

Ted

No I haven't. If they are working on it they seem to be taking their time as they have been rumoured to be working on a 10 for centuries.

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1 hour ago, vololiberista said:

If they are working on it they seem to be taking their time

I have to admit I only heard about it from various posts hear at Avsim so I was guilty of spreading rumors! So I went to Just Flight's website to look around. I found a post from this year by a Just Flight staff confirming that they are working on it but it is still a ways off. Looking forward to being able to fly this P3Dv4. It would be a day one purchase for me if I knew you were involved in the systems development and it had your approval!

Ted 

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The 'Just (Shite) sorry, Flight' version is what it is but a PMDG version would be ten times better.

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Whether it be PMDG or another developer, from my point of view I would expect a PMDG standard as minimum. It's not difficult to backtrack from the manuals. My premise was to initially use the check lists and redesign various instruments from the point of view of pre-flight test etc and then failures. The logic of the oxygen system for example. What do the dials actually represent and what is the purpose of the tests? For the majority of my work I have used only two manuals. The flight manual and technical notes. I was fortunate to find a P7 graph amongst the technical notes on board the Sultan of Oman's aircraft at brooklands. I have all the wiring diagrams for the electrical systems and at the moment I am working on that. A lot of stuff will have to have additional code because I have to "build" an electrical supply first (simulate the wiring and power supplies in effect) and then feed the components off that. Wheras now an electrical supply is "assumed."

When I mentioned earlier about the stick pusher that was an interesting experiment in that a real stick pusher does just that. It will ###### the control column out of your hands and push it forward by the required amount to regain airspeed. Perhaps there might be a way to create a force feedback loop but as most sim yokes don't have force feedback that wouldn't work. However what you can do is to momentarily disconnect the yoke from the sim. And that's what I did. Whether the a/c is under AP or manual control the yoke is disconnected, the stick pusher will activate, the control surfaces are centralised excepting the rudder and then the yoke is reconnected to the sim. So I was able to model exactly what the a/c systems do during a stick push. The only change I made was to delay the stick push to create more drama!

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10 minutes ago, vololiberista said:

Whether it be PMDG or another developer, from my point of view I would expect a PMDG standard as minimum. It's not difficult to backtrack from the manuals. My premise was to initially use the check lists and redesign various instruments from the point of view of pre-flight test etc and then failures. The logic of the oxygen system for example. What do the dials actually represent and what is the purpose of the tests? For the majority of my work I have used only two manuals. The flight manual and technical notes. I was fortunate to find a P7 graph amongst the technical notes on board the Sultan of Oman's aircraft at brooklands. I have all the wiring diagrams for the electrical systems and at the moment I am working on that. A lot of stuff will have to have additional code because I have to "build" an electrical supply first (simulate the wiring and power supplies in effect) and then feed the components off that. Wheras now an electrical supply is "assumed."

When I mentioned earlier about the stick pusher that was an interesting experiment in that a real stick pusher does just that. It will ###### (umm why does avsim delete the word s n a t c h?) the control column out of your hands and push it forward by the required amount to regain airspeed. Perhaps there might be a way to create a force feedback loop but as most sim yokes don't have force feedback that wouldn't work. However what you can do is to momentarily disconnect the yoke from the sim. And that's what I did. Whether the a/c is under AP or manual control the yoke is disconnected, the stick pusher will activate, the control surfaces are centralised excepting the rudder and then the yoke is reconnected to the sim. So I was able to model exactly what the a/c systems do during a stick push. The only change I made was to delay the stick push to create more drama!

 

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14 hours ago, G7USL said:

a PMDG version would be ten times better.

I'd like a PMDG version of every plane in my hangar. PMDG said that the staff would love to do a 707 but they are not going to and I am assuming it is due to estimated low market demand. Based on that I doubt PMDG would do a VC10.

Just Flight is producing one based on the second post in this thread from March of this year:

http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=31322&KW=vc10&title=new-developments-vc10-and-jet-provost

I'd love to hear Vololiberista, with his knowledge and passion for the VC10, was invited to be on the team. That would indicate to me that Just Flight is serious about making a very accurate sim model of the VC10. This is not to say that Just Flight doesn't already have such a qualified person on the team. I just don't know.

I really like the VC10 and I would just like it to be really well done. I just noticed that this is in the PMDG forum so I will stop talking about Just Flight.

Ted Striker

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