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P3Dv4...Why You May Want to Wait

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Hi Everyone,

So I bit the bullet and downloaded, installed and test-flew v4 for a few minutes today.  I've also been fiddling with X-plane 11 as of late. 

I would suggest holding off on moving past v3 until the addons come out, as the performance increase I noticed doesn't offset all of the stuff the default sim lacks.  The default scenery is pretty much the same- same airports, same crappy night lighting, horrible colored ground textures...Also, we just learned today that PTA is not going to be updated for v4 either.  So, unless developers intervene or someone out there knows how to manipulate shaders we're pretty much stuck with default lighting. 

Without ORBX, AS16, ENVTEX, most of my addon sceneries, my PMDG aircraft, UTLive and GSX, there's just no point.  Default X-plane 11 is much nicer, and that's not saying much.  At least all they need to do is improve sounds in aircraft, come up with a good traffic injector and beef up their weather engine.  So, I guess both 64bit platforms are not developed enough to provide the same level of immersion I have in v3 at the moment.

So, unless you are happy with default, I'd hold off until all of the updates and addons roll out in order to enjoy the sim.  From what I gather in some of the forums, it can be weeks or longer before some key elements are tested, updated and available.  I'm not saying it's not worth buying, but why bother if the addon world isn't able to catch up?  I really think LM screwed up a great opportunity to dazzle the market by not allowing more beta copies to get in the hands of developers ahead of release.  Of course, X-plane also came out without some basic essentials as well.  Welcome to the banner year of flight simulation...

So, back to v3 I go, happily flying in my perfectly-tweaked, yet constrained by VAS system for a little while longer.

John

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I now have v4 but agree without the payware addons I'm with v3 for now for the immersion.

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What about sweetfx ? it works in my p3d v2.5 

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I Honestly do not understand it,  If you plan to buy V4 once all the addons are working than what is the difference if you buy it now without any addons?

Everyone has been screaming that they wanted a 64bit version of P3D, LM finally releases it and all people do is complain.

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7 minutes ago, sultanofswing said:

Everyone has been screaming that they wanted a 64bit version of P3D, LM finally releases it and all people do is complain.

That's absolutely true, LOL. But, really, flying P3D without any or very few addons is like having a brand new car but without a driver license, having to driving it only around your house to avoid being arrested. The good news is that it has been demonstrated that upgrading scenery and aircraft from 32bit to 64bit it's a lot easier than originally expected, as new installers are announced to arrive really soon (FSDT, PMDG, ORBX, Chase Plane, to mention only a few popular ones, are already or will be compatible in matter of days).

Something that disapointed me a lot today was the announcement made by KNOSSOS (Yuri) about stoping the development of such a P3D popular enhancer that was PTA, and that no v4 compatible version will be produced, even at some price/cost. I do still hope Yuri could rethink his position to make all of us happy with a paid version of PTA for P3Dv4.

Cheers, Ed

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P3Dv4 looks great performance-wise in a comparison video I just watched. I'm not close to buying this one yet since I just bought v3 a few weeks ago and XP11 just a few weeks prior to that.

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25 minutes ago, sultanofswing said:

I Honestly do not understand it,  If you plan to buy V4 once all the addons are working than what is the difference if you buy it now without any addons?

Everyone has been screaming that they wanted a 64bit version of P3D, LM finally releases it and all people do is complain.

Because once all of the addons are up and running, then it's worth flying.  So, for those who are deciding whether to switch over now as opposed to waiting should think about whether or not it's worth it.

John

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30 minutes ago, sultanofswing said:

I Honestly do not understand it,  If you plan to buy V4 once all the addons are working than what is the difference if you buy it now without any addons?

Everyone has been screaming that they wanted a 64bit version of P3D, LM finally releases it and all people do is complain.

What is the sense of buying something if you are not going to use it for who knows how long. 

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This is why I don't jump into the pool the first day it opens up. Taking my sweet time on this one, since it's not a cheap buy, specially since I have the v3 pro version, and lately I found a real sweet spot that gives me all I need and no OOM. Maybe in a year from now, when several upgrades have been release and most if not all of my favorite scenery are up to par with v4, will I then make my move, maybe...

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1 hour ago, dal330200 said:

Hi Everyone,

So I bit the bullet and downloaded, installed and test-flew v4 for a few minutes today.  I've also been fiddling with X-plane 11 as of late. 

I would suggest holding off on moving past v3 until the addons come out, as the performance increase I noticed doesn't offset all of the stuff the default sim lacks.  The default scenery is pretty much the same- same airports, same crappy night lighting, horrible colored ground textures...Also, we just learned today that PTA is not going to be updated for v4 either.  So, unless developers intervene or someone out there knows how to manipulate shaders we're pretty much stuck with default lighting. 

Without ORBX, AS16, ENVTEX, most of my addon sceneries, my PMDG aircraft, UTLive and GSX, there's just no point.  Default X-plane 11 is much nicer, and that's not saying much.  At least all they need to do is improve sounds in aircraft, come up with a good traffic injector and beef up their weather engine.  So, I guess both 64bit platforms are not developed enough to provide the same level of immersion I have in v3 at the moment.

So, unless you are happy with default, I'd hold off until all of the updates and addons roll out in order to enjoy the sim.  From what I gather in some of the forums, it can be weeks or longer before some key elements are tested, updated and available.  I'm not saying it's not worth buying, but why bother if the addon world isn't able to catch up?  I really think LM screwed up a great opportunity to dazzle the market by not allowing more beta copies to get in the hands of developers ahead of release.  Of course, X-plane also came out without some basic essentials as well.  Welcome to the banner year of flight simulation...

So, back to v3 I go, happily flying in my perfectly-tweaked, yet constrained by VAS system for a little while longer.

John

You derived at this conclusion after "a few minutes" of testing?  

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Don't know why they cancel the evaluation license but I bought V4 anyways.

It's all your choice to stay with V3, but I don't want to throw money to somewhere that I can't enjoy flying. OOM and stuttering are going to kill me in V3. I bought V4 to cure this. After the first flight test, all I would say is WOW! No more stuttering, no more OOM, no more blurry textures, much better environmental effects, multicore management, more utilised CPU/GPU usage. And on my system, the actual performance is MUCH better than V3. It's not what you saw on the livestream at all. It depends on how does it actually perform on your system. You have to see it by yourself. That's it, it deserves the price. I'm in.

V4 is definitely going to gain the mainstream of P3D platform with its 64bit merits. IMHO, I suggest every P3D user upgrades to V4 to have the larger extent of enjoyment in the future. This reminds me of people's reaction when they decided to change from FSX to P3D or FS9 to FSX back in times.

45 minutes ago, flyerkg said:

P3Dv4 looks great performance-wise in a comparison video I just watched. I'm not close to buying this one yet since I just bought v3 a few weeks ago and XP11 just a few weeks prior to that.

 

If you bought V3 within 60 days, you can ask for a refund to purchase V4.

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Wow, why does everyone seem to go to negative without READING what I said?  I didn't say that I'm not happy with the potential with v4.  I said maybe it's better to wait until the addons roll out before ditching v3.  That's all I was suggesting.  Sometimes I hate the snide-ness of this forum really.  Take what I say with a grain of salt, as it was meant to be constructive. 

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10 hours ago, kingm56 said:

You derived at this conclusion after "a few minutes" of testing?  

That was enough for me to know to keep using v3 until the essentials roll out in the next few weeks.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is mine.  Sorry if my impressions aren't to your liking, but how your comment is constructive is anyone's guess. 

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5 minutes ago, dal330200 said:

Wow, why does everyone seem to go to negative without READING what I said?  I didn't say that I'm not happy with the potential with v4.  I said maybe it's better to wait until the addons roll out before ditching v3.  That's all I was suggesting.  Sometimes I hate the snide-ness of this forum really.  Take what I say with a grain of salt, as it was meant to be constructive. 

I think what you said is probably wise.  We all knew or suspected that moving to 64-bit was going to be tough and I'm not surprised at all at any of this.  It's growing pains.  The PTA news is bad indeed...I have no interest in flying in a sim with unrealistic lighting.  And I wouldn't move until FSUIPC and PMDG are ported anyway. 

 

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you have made a valid point, the past 24hrs many developers have had their first look at the new version, if their coding needs changing in order for it to work, of course its going to take some time

I think john you shouldve worded your OP in a blunt and simple manner like

"Yeah P3D v4 is here, but dont ###### if you find out most of your favorite payware addons dont work at all or its been 24hrs and your favorite plane is still not ready so if you are sitting on the fence on whether to buy now or latter,, just remember its going to be no different from any initial release of FSX or P3D "

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With all due respect, I generally find 'first impression' posts like this of little value.  A default sim is a default sim - but if one thing is for sure, this is the best generation default sim of the FSX/ESP family.  It looks better and it outperforms anything we've had before - on current hardware (for once we don't even have to wait for 2 more years for hardware to catch up)   We also all know that it's the addons are what make the sim amazing. You are preaching to a long standing,  glizzled bunch of flightsimmers.    Why on earth would anyone want to wait if you can run V3 and V4 side by side.

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12 hours ago, dal330200 said:

Hi Everyone,

So I bit the bullet and downloaded, installed and test-flew v4 for a few minutes today.  I've also been fiddling with X-plane 11 as of late. 

I would suggest holding off on moving past v3 until the addons come out, as the performance increase I noticed doesn't offset all of the stuff the default sim lacks.  The default scenery is pretty much the same- same airports, same crappy night lighting, horrible colored ground textures...Also, we just learned today that PTA is not going to be updated for v4 either.  So, unless developers intervene or someone out there knows how to manipulate shaders we're pretty much stuck with default lighting. 

Without ORBX, AS16, ENVTEX, most of my addon sceneries, my PMDG aircraft, UTLive and GSX, there's just no point.  Default X-plane 11 is much nicer, and that's not saying much.  At least all they need to do is improve sounds in aircraft, come up with a good traffic injector and beef up their weather engine.  So, I guess both 64bit platforms are not developed enough to provide the same level of immersion I have in v3 at the moment.

So, unless you are happy with default, I'd hold off until all of the updates and addons roll out in order to enjoy the sim.  From what I gather in some of the forums, it can be weeks or longer before some key elements are tested, updated and available.  I'm not saying it's not worth buying, but why bother if the addon world isn't able to catch up?  I really think LM screwed up a great opportunity to dazzle the market by not allowing more beta copies to get in the hands of developers ahead of release.  Of course, X-plane also came out without some basic essentials as well.  Welcome to the banner year of flight simulation...

So, back to v3 I go, happily flying in my perfectly-tweaked, yet constrained by VAS system for a little while longer.

John

I agree with you on this and has been my thinking as well while waiting for the release.  I have not bought it yet and decided to wait until a good number of addons are available.  I only fly about 3 planes on a regular basis, 2 of them should be fairly soon and the other may be months off.  I have no use for a default P3D...whether it is 64 bit or not.  I do look forward to all the potential this will bring and I am sure I will have it on my PC in several weeks as things start to become available.  PTA not being updated for V4 is a letdown indeed as I really have a great looking sim right now in V3.  I hope someone will continue doing something similar for V4 at some point.

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Addon compatibility will be made for V4, shortly. This is to be read in different statements (no citation needed). I bet we will reach a lot of compatibility of addons for V4. It must go full throttle. V4 64-bit simply is the future for these developers!

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I suppose you can't just point scenery installers to v4's location like when v3 was new?

 

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12 hours ago, dal330200 said:

Hi Everyone,

So I bit the bullet and downloaded, installed and test-flew v4 for a few minutes today.  I've also been fiddling with X-plane 11 as of late. 

I would suggest holding off on moving past v3 until the addons come out, as the performance increase I noticed doesn't offset all of the stuff the default sim lacks.  The default scenery is pretty much the same- same airports, same crappy night lighting, horrible colored ground textures...Also, we just learned today that PTA is not going to be updated for v4 either.  So, unless developers intervene or someone out there knows how to manipulate shaders we're pretty much stuck with default lighting. 

Without ORBX, AS16, ENVTEX, most of my addon sceneries, my PMDG aircraft, UTLive and GSX, there's just no point.  Default X-plane 11 is much nicer, and that's not saying much.  At least all they need to do is improve sounds in aircraft, come up with a good traffic injector and beef up their weather engine.  So, I guess both 64bit platforms are not developed enough to provide the same level of immersion I have in v3 at the moment.

So, unless you are happy with default, I'd hold off until all of the updates and addons roll out in order to enjoy the sim.  From what I gather in some of the forums, it can be weeks or longer before some key elements are tested, updated and available.  I'm not saying it's not worth buying, but why bother if the addon world isn't able to catch up?  I really think LM screwed up a great opportunity to dazzle the market by not allowing more beta copies to get in the hands of developers ahead of release.  Of course, X-plane also came out without some basic essentials as well.  Welcome to the banner year of flight simulation...

So, back to v3 I go, happily flying in my perfectly-tweaked, yet constrained by VAS system for a little while longer.

John

I find it funny how people come here on release day #1 and then tell others to hold off! Come on, you are pointing out the obvious that lots of add-on's are not yet compatible! Who says you can't install V4 alongside V3? What is wrong with playing around with V4? So to me people telling other people to hold off is useless! 

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I jumped in right away because I knew I would eventually move over anyway.  I have P3D v3 running along side so no loss and the one big advantage of getting in now is that you can slowly add the updates as they become available.....and already today I spent a few hours adding in FSDT and Flightbeam scenery, the Duke, MyTraffic, Pilots Global Ultimate Mesh, Chaseplane and probably a few more I forgot but the point is this all takes time and I don't want to face a week of non stop installing in 3 months when everything is available.  Plus you get to play around with the various settings and get things dialed in.

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1 minute ago, MarkW said:

.and already today I spent a few hours adding in FSDT and Flightbeam scenery

So it actually works to just point the installers to v4's location? Do the sceneries work well?

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5 minutes ago, Canuck said:

So it actually works to just point the installers to v4's location? Do the sceneries work well?

No, I re-downloaded the FSDT and Flightbeam sceneries because they have updated their installers for v4 plus added some new features and updates

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I agree with the OP.....both for the suggestion to "hold tight" until addons have been upgraded, and also that some people are being just a bit too critical of his comments. His post does not come across as an attack on P3D v4. It looks like sensible advice to me. Amazing as it may seem, some of us actually prefer to only use one ESP/FSX based flight simulator. I currently use P3D v3.3.5, and I have no intention of upgrading to v4 until ALL of the addons that I use are compatible. I don't doubt for a second that v4 will be a significant improvement over v3 in several departments, but that doesn't mean that I should automatically purchase it without thinking about why I am spending my money.

Since I suspect that I will need a new GPU to run P3D v4 at very high detail settings (and rest assured that I will not be moving those sliders anywhere near the left hand side of the scale), it is quite possible that I will upgrade to 64bit nirvana only when I decide to buy a completely new PC. Hopefully, compatibility issues with my existing addons will have been sorted out by then :wink:

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I have to say John I'm agree with you, I bought V4  and I think that V4 need to be more optimize, Yep your ear me. I have upgade my PC to be able to use alot of the platform, I make several hour of testing with V4 alone without any add on. my goal yesterday was to just to find the same feeling I got with V3.4. In V3.4 I found the setting to be able to make turn with almost none stutter and popping autogen at 95% of the time, even with my PMDG 777, 

Yesterday I was exciting with to try V4, I expect to at least retreveid the same performance. When I said performance it about fluidity not FPS (Yes I have better FPS but...) , I try to see if my flying is smooth but unfortunaly it not at my taste. I was able to remove some little stutter when I'm turning but it not like I was able to achive in V3.4,

I like the Dynamic light but when I'm use them, I point my A/C in a front of a building) my frame drop like hell, I can lost 20-25 frames (I lock my frame at  30 FPS), I don't know is it a bug or a problem on my side. But if I uncheck the option my frame rate are going back to 30...

To be able to fly  with almost the same fluidity of V3.4  , I have reduce all my graphic setting lower than V3.4, even with the re install old NVIDIA driver and bla bla bla.

 

Overall it a good platform but IMHO it will be better after some update, and Yes John I'm agree with you, Xplane 11 is better optimize and it have a better fluidity than V4

 

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