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Why do I seem to have to load a default aircraft before loading the 747?  If I don't, the screens in the VC are all black.

If I load the default aircraft first, everything works fine, but I have never had to load a default aircraft before loading a PMDG aircraft.

 

Thank you,

Bob

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Because thats what PMDG have told you that you need to do, in the introduction manual it explains it all...

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41 minutes ago, 77west said:

Because thats what PMDG have told you that you need to do, in the introduction manual it explains it all...

Knowing that doesn't really make it any more convenient to have to do every time I load the 747.:happy:

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If you are saying that you should start a flight with a default aircraft first, then that shouldn't be the case. To avoid confusion I would like to leave this information from the introduction documentation here:

A few notes to keep you from running into trouble:

  •  There is a common misconception that when loading a complex simulation like the PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies II that you should first load the default Cessna into the simulator, then load the PMDG 747-400 on top of it. This is not a factual conception and in fact we do not recommend the practice at all.
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2 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

Knowing that doesn't really make it any more convenient to have to do every time I load the 747.:happy:

your  start up  screen of  your  sim  should  be  the  trike   than  doesnt  matter  what you  load up  next

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2 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

Knowing that doesn't really make it any more convenient to have to do every time I load the 747.:happy:

All you have to do is have a default aircraft as the default flight. Select free flight menu then select the 747. Then load the flight. You do not have to load a flight with a default aircraft then load the 747 over it.

Its really easy, not a problem at all. It's also not unique to 747v3. All PMDG addons have required this procedure to load properly. Most complex addons also require this. 

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You might be thinking of a certain Airbus for FSX/P3D that requires you to actually start the sim with the default aircraft, switch the engines off and then select the aircraft which is a faff. PMDG aircraft don't need that. As long as you have default aircraft as the default flight in the initial sim menu, you can select the PMDG aircraft straight from the menu, jump in and go. 

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1 hour ago, rondon9898 said:

 

You might be thinking of a certain Airbus for FSX/P3D that requires you to actually start the sim with the default aircraft, switch the engines off and then select the aircraft which is a faff.

 

For what it's worth, said Airbus does not require this in P3D: exactly as with the PMDG 744, all you have to do is ensure you have a default aircraft as your default flight.

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7 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

Why do I seem to have to load a default aircraft before loading the 747?  If I don't, the screens in the VC are all black.

If I load the default aircraft first, everything works fine, but I have never had to load a default aircraft before loading a PMDG aircraft.

Because you're running an old version of the 747, and FSUIPC is buggered.

Update your 747.

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2 hours ago, skelsey said:

For what it's worth, said Airbus does not require this in P3D: exactly as with the PMDG 744, all you have to do is ensure you have a default aircraft as your default flight.

Well given your testing credentials I shall take that as gospel Simon and very useful to know, thank you.

In that case, Bob, just update your 747 through OC, and don't bother starting the sim with default aircraft, just make sure the initial screen loads up with the default aircraft and select from the menu.

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12 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Because you're running an old version of the 747, and FSUIPC is buggered.

Update your 747.

I'll check this Kyle.  I thought I did my updates on everything, but I might have missed it.

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14 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Because you're running an old version of the 747, and FSUIPC is buggered.

Update your 747.

Hello Kyle,

I checked and I am running the latest version of the 747 (Installed Version: 3.00.8334) and also the latest version of FSUIPC5, but it still loads with black DUs in the VC.  Pop-ups are working fine and it works fine if I load the default aircraft first.

I can live with it, but I'm just not used to having to do this with a PMDG aircraft and I keep forgetting to load the default aircraft.

 

Thank  you,

Bob

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13 hours ago, rondon9898 said:

Well given your testing credentials I shall take that as gospel Simon and very useful to know, thank you.

In that case, Bob, just update your 747 through OC, and don't bother starting the sim with default aircraft, just make sure the initial screen loads up with the default aircraft and select from the menu.

Thank you for the suggestion.  My default aircraft to load is the one that is set with P3Dv4 out of the box.  I never change that.

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What default would you actually load? Even though a Carenado is included with V4 I doubt it is a "default", same goes for the Iris F-22. Why should you have to load a competitor's aircraft to load your own. I don't get it.  

Even the Trike was made by some 3rd party so it really makes no sense whatsoever. 

Someone once put out that "defaults" mysteriously initialise  some mysterious simconnect variables that other experienced developers apparently can't or don't know how?

This is a complete load of bollox

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8 hours ago, Slayer said:

This is a complete load of bollox

Then set a complex plane that requires SimConnect as the default and lemme know how that works out for you...

Better yet, code a complex aircraft that depends heavily on SimConnect, and set it as your default, and then let me know how that one works out for you, too. I'll then welcome you to the club of apparent idiots who "don't know how."

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In P3D v4 i can spawn right in 747 if the fsuipc isnt installed, if its installed i have to spawn in on the default plane first then switch to the 747, i've read that there's issues with fsuipc that they are hopefully working on 

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11 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Better yet, code a complex aircraft that depends heavily on SimConnect, and set it as your default, and then let me know how that one works out for you, too. I'll then welcome you to the club of apparent idiots who "don't know how."

 

This sparked my curiosity. What exactly is the problem here? Or to rephrase, what exactly do the "default" (or more correctly, those not using SimConnect) aircraft do that initializes the variables, or whatnot, and that cannot be done elsewhere? I am sure it's not laziness, but I am just curious.

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On 6/15/2017 at 8:12 AM, scandinavian13 said:

Then set a complex plane that requires SimConnect as the default and lemme know how that works out for you...

Better yet, code a complex aircraft that depends heavily on SimConnect, and set it as your default, and then let me know how that one works out for you, too. I'll then welcome you to the club of apparent idiots who "don't know how."

It seems that there are two different things being said here. 1) Setting a default "scenario"  where a payware aircraft is used  2) Loading the sim with said default aircraft at the default airport before then switching aircraft to the payware aircraft and choosing an airport. 

I was referring to number 2. It is not required as harvester pointed out and says as much in your documentation or am I reading it wrong?

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5 hours ago, Slayer said:

It seems that there are two different things being said here. 1) Setting a default "scenario"  where a payware aircraft is used  2) Loading the sim with said default aircraft at the default airport before then switching aircraft to the payware aircraft and choosing an airport. 

I was referring to number 2. It is not required as harvester pointed out and says as much in your documentation or am I reading it wrong?

No  2  is  correct

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On 6/16/2017 at 3:28 PM, Slayer said:

It seems that there are two different things being said here. 1) Setting a default "scenario"  where a payware aircraft is used  2) Loading the sim with said default aircraft at the default airport before then switching aircraft to the payware aircraft and choosing an airport. 

I was referring to number 2. It is not required as harvester pointed out and says as much in your documentation or am I reading it wrong?

All that I have to do is pick any airport and set the default F35 there.  Afterward load the PMDG747.

If I load the PMDG747 from a scenario that I creat, it will load correctly.

It's not a big problem at all really.  The problem is that I forget to load the default aircraft first, then I have to shut down the sim and start over.

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11 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

 

It's not a big problem at all really.  The problem is that I forget to load the default aircraft first, then I have to shut down the sim and start over.

why not  set  the f35  as  the  default  aircraft  so everytime  your  sim loads with the  f35  all the  time,  or  is  this  not  possible  in p3d

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3 hours ago, pete_auau said:

why not  set  the f35  as  the  default  aircraft  so everytime  your  sim loads with the  f35  all the  time,  or  is  this  not  possible  in p3d

The way that I have it, the opening screen will open with the F35, then I pick the aircraft that I want to fly and the airport I want to start at.

Most of my aircraft will load fine after I pick them from the list and load with them, but that is not the case with the PMDG 747.  With it, I have to actually load the F35 at the gate, then switch to the PMDG747.

If I go ahead, without thinking, and select the PMDG747, I will have to restart the simulator.

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Robert when I load up the sim with default scenario, then select the 747 and load up the sim, my aircraft also starts with black screens and none of the cockpit configuration adjustments. I then have to wait a LONG time (you'd think the sim had crashed, but it hasn't) before the simconnect then kicks in and the aircraft loads up properly. This kind of thing doesn't happen on the 737 or 777 in FSX, but with QOTS in P3D I'm finding it takes an unnaturally long time for the PMDG initialisation to kick in. I think this is what you may be experiencing, so my advice would be load it up as PMDG reccommends, the aircraft loads up with no screens/anything working etc. and no initialisation, go and make a preflight cup of tea and then come back to it and it will load - it just takes much longer than normal. No idea why.

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3 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

Most of my aircraft will load fine after I pick them from the list and load with them, but that is not the case with the PMDG 747.  With it, I have to actually load the F35 at the gate, then switch to the PMDG747.

2 hours ago, rondon9898 said:

Robert when I load up the sim with default scenario, then select the 747 and load up the sim, my aircraft also starts with black screens and none of the cockpit configuration adjustments.

Robers & John,

I know this was an issue when P3Dv4 first came out but I think it's been resolved for most people after various updates. Can you both confirm that you've updated the 747 to the latest version via the Operations Center and that you're also on the latest FSUIPC (now v. 5.102)?

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I'm talking about P3D v3, actually, but v4 is the same - I'm all updated and don't have FSUIPC in v4

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