On 23/06/2017 at 10:02 AM, Michel Greschler said:

Hi Robert

 

fully agree with your article

 

The only thing i disagree with PMDG is that there is no upgrade option from FSX Steam to P3D v4 ,  free of charge would be nice ( like Carenado and TFDI are doing ) , but i would be prepared to  pay a upgrade fee which would be fair.

But to repurchase the whole lot ( i spent already $ 300 on 747 v3 +777 both version+ 737 ) is too much and not fair

I am sure that most FSX pilots upgrading to P3D V4 are thinking the same

 

 

 

3 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

1. Sign your posts.
2. This isn't the place to discuss pricing policy.
3. You would know both of these if you read the rules. Please read them 

why don t you email me

10 minutes ago, Michel Greschler said:

 

why don t you email me

pmdg  staff  do not  email  users  for  obvious  reason,  if  you  want  to get  in touch  with  pmdg  than  submit  a support  ticket  in,   since  you got  your  name  in your  profile   the  rules  state   you need  to have  your  name  in your  signature  block

This is among the best and most helpful posts I've ever read. Thank you rsrandazzo.

I think everyone should see this: http://flightbeam.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2556&p=13972#p13972

 

 

1 hour ago, Bnash00 said:

I think everyone should see this: http://flightbeam.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2556&p=13972#p13972

 

 

Another good read, and like Martin from Fly Tampa, are the experts in scenery design. Some of frequent posters on here who continue to tell otheres that their flight sim install is going to self destruct by not installing 100% compliant sceneries should read this. Instead of scare mongering.

18 minutes ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Another good read, and like Martin from Fly Tampa, are the experts in scenery design. Some of frequent posters on here who continue to tell otheres that their flight sim install is going to self destruct by not installing 100% compliant sceneries should read this. Instead of scare mongering.

Eh. Grain of salt required. Surprise surprise Flightbeam defend their own scenery development, PMDG defend their aircraft development.

37 minutes ago, PMDG777 said:

Eh. Grain of salt required. Surprise surprise Flightbeam defend their own scenery development, PMDG defend their aircraft development.

Just like PMDG or any aircraft developer would defend their own aircraft development.

Since when did Flight Beam or Fl Tampa critisize PMDG's aircraft development ? Show me a post where PMDG have had to defend their aircraft development ?

In fact, sales of Flight Beam and Fly Tampa could very well take a hit because of this thread, and uninformed posts from people like yourself does not help either.

And why is scenery development being discussed in an aircraft forum ?

Some sceneries won't work in V4, don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that one out, especially addons that require a .dll or exe to run.

So, yoiu think everyone should remove any scenery addons that are not 100% compliant with the P3D V4 SDK ?

If your answer is "yes", then we can't fly in the default scenery either, as that is the same as the 32bit sim

And complying with your very strict policy, my name as at the bottom. Hate you to miss it, and you tell me off.

1 hour ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Just like PMDG or any aircraft developer would defend their own aircraft development.

Since when did Flight Beam or Fl Tampa critisize PMDG's aircraft development ? Show me a post where PMDG have had to defend their aircraft development ?

In fact, sales of Flight Beam and Fly Tampa could very well take a hit because of this thread, and uninformed posts from people like yourself does not help either.

And why is scenery development being discussed in an aircraft forum ?

Some sceneries won't work in V4, don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that one out, especially addons that require a .dll or exe to run.

So, yoiu think everyone should remove any scenery addons that are not 100% compliant with the P3D V4 SDK ?

If your answer is "yes", then we can't fly in the default scenery either, as that is the same as the 32bit sim

And complying with your very strict policy, my name as at the bottom. Hate you to miss it, and you tell me off.

who  cares if  you want  to install sceneries  its  your  choice  if  it  buggers  up  your  p3dv4  than just  a matter  or   reinstalling   again.  And its  not  chris  strict  policy its  pmdg  rules of  the name now  maybe  you  can have  a go  at me  now

20 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

who  cares if  you want  to install sceneries  its  your  choice  if  it  buggers  up  your  p3dv4  than just  a matter  or   reinstalling   again

Whatever.

 

Alright lets just take it down a notch or two, there is no need to get worked up over something so trivial.

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Just like PMDG or any aircraft developer would defend their own aircraft development.

Yes that's what I said

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Since when did Flight Beam or Fl Tampa critisize PMDG's aircraft development ? Show me a post where PMDG have had to defend their aircraft development ?

It was theoretical, as in, PMDG WOULD defend their own development because it's THEIR business. Nobody said anyone criticised anyone. I said to take their post, and PMDGs, with a grain of salt because COMPANIES WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEIR PRODUCTS.

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

In fact, sales of Flight Beam and Fly Tampa could very well take a hit because of this thread, and uninformed posts from people like yourself does not help either.

I doubt it, both have been on the go for years and both are very reputable scenery builders.

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

And why is scenery development being discussed in an aircraft forum ?\

You brought it up?

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Some sceneries won't work in V4, don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that one out, especially addons that require a .dll or exe to run.

Then stop acting like they will?

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

So, yoiu think everyone should remove any scenery addons that are not 100% compliant with the P3D V4 SDK ?

Nobody said that. What was said was make sure sceneries aren't just an installer port from v3, make sure developers have actually thought about how their product will run in v4. Flightbeam seem to be doing this.

4 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

And complying with your very strict policy, my name as at the bottom. Hate you to miss it, and you tell me off.

I see you've finished with going down the route of childish behaviour. Rules are there for a reason. In fact, Robert made a pretty clear post about it in the 747 forum (it's pinned) specifically. You're funeral if you don't adhere to it.

9 minutes ago, PMDG777 said:

Nobody said that. What was said was make sure sceneries aren't just an installer port from v3, make sure developers have actually thought about how their product will run in v4. Flightbeam seem to be doing this.

That is true... but I've installed for instance all the FlyTampa sceneries, some mesh files and other stuff I own. The FlyTampa installers don't even recognize Prepar3D V4 (yet). So far, the sky haven't been falling, earth is still intact, and apocalypse haven't begun... I haven't gotten any performance issues or problems with Prepar3D V4 files, strange crashes, instability or other problems.

I appreciate Robert's concern regarding installation of 'unauthorized' products ... but ... so far I don't know what to believe. 

1 minute ago, Anders Bermann said:

That is true... but I've installed for instance all the FlyTampa sceneries, some mesh files and other stuff I own. The FlyTampa installers don't even recognize Prepar3D V4 (yet). So far, the sky haven't been falling, earth is still intact, and apocalypse haven't begun... I haven't gotten any performance issues or problems with Prepar3D V4 files, strange crashes, instability or other problems.

I appreciate Robert's concern regarding installation of 'unauthorized' products ... but ... so far I don't know what to believe. 

I thought FlyTampa had updated for v4? 

I think people are taking Robert's words too literally. He didn't mean if you install this you will destroy your sim, your life and everything you know. He more meant along the lines of: you don't know how the sim is going to react to v3 addons, and if you do start getting crashes, those are the likely cause.

6 hours ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Instead of scare mongering.

Mind pointing out the scare mongering?

All the post says is the following:

LM requests that people compile their assets with the v4 SDK, and we would recommend this because of the performance benefits. Anything compiled in the v3 SDK will not be as optimized, which may sacrifice performance. Your mileage may vary, and it is your choice. That's just about it.

22 minutes ago, PMDG777 said:

I think people are taking Robert's words too literally. He didn't mean if you install this you will destroy your sim, your life and everything you know. He more meant along the lines of: you don't know how the sim is going to react to v3 addons, and if you do start getting crashes, those are the likely cause.

Fair enough... That's a very good point. You're probably right in that analysis... 

I doubt it, both have been on the go for years and both are very reputable scenery builders

Since this thread has started we've been getting regular emails from potential customers stating that if our products are not native P3D V4 SDK they will not purchase. So that original comment is not far from the truth unfortunately. It's amazing how fast misinformation can spread. 

In my professional opinion the original statement that started this entire discussion should either be clarified or retracted. In its current form it's not very accurate.