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RAAS for P3D V4 (64 Bit) Released!

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Gents,

RAAS for P3D V4 has been released and is now available for sale on the FS2Crew website!

In our opinion, 64 bit flight simming is the future of flight simulation owing to the many, many benefits it offers.  We therefore encourage our users to upgrade to P3D V4.  

FSX has had its day. It's time to move forward.

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P3D V4 requires a new purchase, but we are offering 5 euros off to previous RAAS customers.  Use coupon code: RAAS64 on the checkout page.

 

Some of you will probably ask why we cannot give out the P3D V4 version for free.

Its a fair question.

The long and short answer is that that 64 bit version requires maintaining new code and new files.  Converting complex code like RAAS to 64 bits is a lot more complex than just flipping a switch I'm afraid.  

You cannot use 32 bit code in a 64 bit app  (so -very important!- if you own RAAS for FSX or an earlier version of P3D, do not try to install it into P3D V4.  It won't work and it will cause problems with P3D V4.)

 

Moreover, the previous version of RAAS supported, for free, FS9, Microsoft FSX, Steam FSX, Side by Side MS FSX and Steam FSX and Prepar 3D V1, V2 and V3.

Maintaining all these different versions is expensive and becoming very time consuming.

Some other FS developers are on the verge of throwing in the towel due to the massive complexity of trying to support numerous different platforms, but FS2Crew will be soldiering forward.

 

So enjoy P3D V4!  Enjoy RAAS!

Keep the brown side down!

 

Best,

 

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Hi Bryan,

 

Does this mean you will also be charging for upgraded version of the rest of the fs2crew products...?

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I'm afraid yes.  Supporting 6 plus different operating platforms is getting too complex and time consuming.

 

 

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1 hour ago, byork said:

I'm afraid yes.  Supporting 6 plus different operating platforms is getting too complex and time consuming.

 

 

So going by the RAAS price, this is essentially re-buying everything?

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Since I'm assuming the 5 euro discount only applies when bought direct, and your site only accepts PayPal (who I no longer deal with since an account dispute a couple of years ago) then unfortunately I'm probably out.

 

I was ok with a reasonable upgrade fee, and even the relatively small 5 EUR discount was welcome, but if not using PayPal rules me out of even that, then I'm not prepared to have to rebuy everything at full price for v4 support (When the PMDG 737 package is released this would be the third version of have been purchasing for the same plane!)

 

I'd feel differently if we were getting an overhaul like the NGX reboot, but if it's purely a compatibility update then it's not worth paying a higher price than other users at a third party store.

TL;DR - You're welcome to my money, but I won't pay more than other users just because I can't PayPal

Mark Fox

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Just a notice to everyone, when installing RAAS into P3Dv4, make sure to read and follow the readme files. There are a few extra programs to use as well as steps to complete. Hope this helps at least one person. Overall, for a full price "Upgrade", the install seems a bit convoluted. Just my 2 cents worth.

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1 hour ago, markdf said:

Since I'm assuming the 5 euro discount only applies when bought direct, and your site only accepts PayPal (who I no longer deal with since an account dispute a couple of years ago) then unfortunately I'm probably out.

 

I was ok with a reasonable upgrade fee, and even the relatively small 5 EUR discount was welcome, but if not using PayPal rules me out of even that, then I'm not prepared to have to rebuy everything at full price for v4 support (When the PMDG 737 package is released this would be the third version of have been purchasing for the same plane!)

 

I'd feel differently if we were getting an overhaul like the NGX reboot, but if it's purely a compatibility update then it's not worth paying a higher price than other users at a third party store.

TL;DR - You're welcome to my money, but I won't pay more than other users just because I can't PayPal

Mark Fox

you  can pay by  credit  card or  a  debit  card  as well  so  dont  know  where  you got  the idea  its only  Paypal

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I don't know why some simmers always expect discounts or free software - does anyone here work for free? I sure don't.

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4 hours ago, byork said:

I'm afraid yes.  Supporting 6 plus different operating platforms is getting too complex and time consuming.

 

 

The just cut it down to 2 or 3 :laugh:

On a serious note - thanks, Bryan for your continuous support and dedication to this hobby! You're one (of the few) developers who has changes our hobby for the better!

Your work is inspiring. Thank you! 

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2 hours ago, N405GJ said:

Just a notice to everyone, when installing RAAS into P3Dv4, make sure to read and follow the readme files. There are a few extra programs to use as well as steps to complete. Hope this helps at least one person. Overall, for a full price "Upgrade", the install seems a bit convoluted. Just my 2 cents worth.

What?  There are no other extra steps other than running Make Runways, which is the same as before.

 

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4 hours ago, markdf said:

Since I'm assuming the 5 euro discount only applies when bought direct, and your site only accepts PayPal (who I no longer deal with since an account dispute a couple of years ago) then unfortunately I'm probably out.

 

I was ok with a reasonable upgrade fee, and even the relatively small 5 EUR discount was welcome, but if not using PayPal rules me out of even that, then I'm not prepared to have to rebuy everything at full price for v4 support (When the PMDG 737 package is released this would be the third version of have been purchasing for the same plane!)

 

I'd feel differently if we were getting an overhaul like the NGX reboot, but if it's purely a compatibility update then it's not worth paying a higher price than other users at a third party store.

TL;DR - You're welcome to my money, but I won't pay more than other users just because I can't PayPal

Mark Fox

PayPal accepts credit cards.  You don't need a PayPal account.

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1 hour ago, Anders Bermann said:

The just cut it down to 2 or 3 :laugh:

On a serious note - thanks, Bryan for your continuous support and dedication to this hobby! You're one (of the few) developers who has changes our hobby for the better!

Your work is inspiring. Thank you! 

Thank you for your kind words.

I knew that charging for P3D V4 would generate some concerns, the same concerns PMDG experienced when they released their P3D versions.

If only the users knew just how complicated this stuff is... this is way more complicated than scenery.  Yes people compare us to the scenery guys :gaul:

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8 minutes ago, byork said:

If only the users knew just how complicated this stuff is... this is way more complicated than scenery.  Yes people compare us to the scenery guys :gaul:

LOL! Suddenly having flash-back to the reaction Sheldon (from 'Big Bang Theory') has, when comparing physicists to engineers :laugh:

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46 minutes ago, byork said:

What?  There are no other extra steps other than running Make Runways, which is the same as before.

 

There another readme specific P3Dv4 within MakeRunways that requires you to download and install a third program so that the previous two can function properly. 

I usually try to make sure that I am careful with what I do to my P3D installs, as Rob Randazzao mentioned recently. When I saw a few layers of readme and exe files to make this work in P3Dv4, it threw up a red flag for me as a spot that others may miss and wonder why they don't get a proper install, or something doesn't work. 

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Hi,

The make runway readme file specifies that due to the new way P3D v4 installs the scenery a third party "addon organizer" is required so that the addon airports can be seen by make runway. This stands only for the addon sceneries and not for the stock sceneries.

I have always been very careful with installations in my sims only installing genuine things and after having checked for postential troubles (which granted me years for stable use with FSX then FSX:SE),  and therefore was very reluctant to install an addon that I was worried could possibly mess up my scenery library.

Though I have only a few sceneries installed in P3D v4 (only the ones that have been truly modified or designed for v4), I did eventually install that addon organizer and so far it seems to work ok. No mess in my scenery library.

 

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Hmmm...I am sorry Bryan but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  I actually don't mind paying for a new version of RAAS or the FS2Crew applications, with new features or improvements (like the NGXv2), but nearly full price for a compatibility update?  I have already bought the NGX version twice, i am loathed if i will buy it again just to get it working in V4.  I have purchased everyone of your products, but this time, sorry, i will either wait for a sale or do without.

I don't think that this supporting 6 different systems will last long, i think that (as certain developers have already mentioned) it will soon be back to 3 maybe even two, P3Dv4 and X-Plane 11...not sure about FSW.

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I could understand how it feels to be paying for something 3 different times for the same product.  It's choice you make wether it worth your hard earn money to enjoy what you want or otherwise. When a developer do a upgrade it's a blessing that we get it for free. FSCREW has been top notch all the way to the end with all of their products. Keep in mind, any products put out there is only as good as there service and support. This is priceless!  

 

Thank you Ryan for all that you do.  

David

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1 hour ago, davjg said:

I could understand how it feels to be paying for something 3 different times for the same product.  It's choice you make wether it worth your hard earn money to enjoy what you want or otherwise. When a developer do a upgrade it's a blessing that we get it for free. FSCREW has been top notch all the way to the end with all of their products. Keep in mind, any products put out there is only as good as there service and support. This is priceless!  

 

Thank you Ryan for all that you do.  

David

I agree with everything you have said David,  Bryan provides outstanding support and service.

To be clear, i don't mind paying an upgrade fee, my problem is that we are expected to pay almost full price again.  I had a major problem when PMDG did the same thing from FSX to P3D, the brutal (and somewhat unfair) truth is that i can't sim without the PMDG products; unfortunately and although it will be a more empty experience  i can manage without FS2Crew.

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My RAAS comes with the 777 Pro package, so when that one is updated, I will then consider, given that it's a new purchase.  I guess the free version that comes with the PMDG 777 is now available there as well.

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Where or when do we already have access to a new version of Makerunways.exe?

I tried to use the current one, Hit or miss, but it didn't worked :| 

 

btw. I think it was a very good decision to leave the 32Bit environment with a - till here free updates - policy and more important; 

Your products are very awesome and people whining about 35 EUR as an investment wich before has been for about 8 years, (FS2009 - P3 DV3) should just stop whining :D.

I mean 35 EUR for 8 years means ~ 4.3 € a YEAR. So stop bi***ng. (had to be said)

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37 minutes ago, Anxu00 said:

My RAAS comes with the 777 Pro package, so when that one is updated, I will then consider, given that it's a new purchase.  I guess the free version that comes with the PMDG 777 is now available there as well.

I sent PMDG the files for the "locked" 747 and 777 version.  It's whenever they release them.

The RAAS available on the FS2Crew website works with all aircraft.

Cheers,

 

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12 hours ago, byork said:

The long and short answer is that that 64 bit version requires maintaining new code and new files.  Converting complex code like RAAS to 64 bits is a lot more complex than just flipping a switch I'm afraid.  

 

5 hours ago, byork said:

If only the users knew just how complicated this stuff is...

GLOL.

 

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6 hours ago, byork said:

PayPal accepts credit cards.  You don't need a PayPal account.

PayPal will flat out not process for me, logged in or just with my name, billing address or any of my cards.

 

Had an incident where they somehow insisted my ID wasn't legitimate (which was ridiculous since it was my passport which I travel on frequently?!) and since then I've been outright blocked/blacklisted.  I actually emailed you some time ago about this, and was advised by you to purchase from simmarket instead for future purchases (5th of May last year) so unfortunately my post still stands :(

 

Once PayPal decide they don't want you, that's it - there's no appeals process (at least no more than a sham one), nobody you can talk to, they won't tell you a thing about their reasoning or provide evidence to support their decision, and they are VERY good at stopping you using any of their services, so if a website only processes via PayPal, I can no longer buy via that website. It is not a choice, I simply can't use it in any way - and believe me, I've tried.

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