Pilot2ATC vs Pro-ATC X

[Sirotin 1]

I have the same. August 2 paid money and nothing in return. I sent a request to the post office, I received an answer that the mail was crowded at the addressee. Ralph Zimerman is not a scam?

[peppy197 165]

26 minutes ago, Sirotin said:

I have the same. August 2 paid money and nothing in return. I sent a request to the post office, I received an answer that the mail was crowded at the addressee. Ralph Zimerman is not a scam?

PayPal will refund if I request.

Just waiting ..........impatiently

While I have your undivided attention, will the format for the files from Live.net work in ProAtc/X ?

 

[pegruder 65]

17 minutes ago, Sirotin said:

I have the same. August 2 paid money and nothing in return. I sent a request to the post office, I received an answer that the mail was crowded at the addressee. Ralph Zimerman is not a scam?

Ralph is def not a scam as I have purchased RealATC from him.  I have several email from him in 2015 and 2016 when I made the purchases.  I hope he is ok.

As for the OP.  It all depends on what your looking for in your ATC.  I've used Vox, ProATC-X and Pilot2ATC.  The first question is do you want to be actually speaking to your 'virtual' controller?  If you do not want to then ProATC-X is probably the best choice.  I haven't used PF3 to know if they have 'buttons' only options.  If you want to speak to the controller that gives you some options.  VOX is voice only as is  P2A, however P2A has a 'say it' feature while having your co-pilot auto reply.  So essentially you can get away with buttons only use even though it was meant for you to speak to it.  

Pro-ATC X

• Moving map features
• Button control
• Background chatter
• SIDs/STARs
• Supports from startup to shutdown
• Doesn't control AI from what I remember
• Can pre-choose your gate (If I remember correctly) while enroute so you can have an idea where you're going when you arrive

VOX (Last version I used was 6.x)

• No moving map
• All voice control from what I remember (It's been awhile)
• Supports from startup to shutdown
• VERY cool progressive taxi feature.  It would light up the taxi ways you were to take along your route.  Maybe not realistic but extremely helpful - especially not having a moving map!
• It injects its OWN AI (pulled from your AI addon) - and controls them!  On the ground, in the air, the chatter you here is actually around you and controlled by your controller.

Pilot2ATC

• This is my current ATC of choice, dev is always making improvements
• Moving map, flight planning and more
• Mainly voice controlled (works pretty well)
• Supports from startup to shutdown
• Doesn't control AI
• Supports Xplane and P3D which is useful if your flying both and want to keep a common ATC addon.  I don't believe the other options do.
• SIDs, Stars, the pilot can request different runways and I believe approaches.
• Supports VFR from what I understand although I haven't actually tried it for that.
• Supports background like Pro-ATC.

 

That covers about what I remember.  If anyone wants to fact-check me on something i forgot or may have been added/removed.  Happy landings!

[Bobsk8 12,711]

2 hours ago, peppy197 said:

I purchased  RealATC almost 2 days ago and although I got an immediate PayPal receipt, I am still waiting for the link

I emailed this first adee given for R Zimmerman from his own site;      it was returned as non-existent (?)

I emailed the second addee given; no reply for the past hour

Anybody know why?

Should I cancel payment?

 

 

Ralph has been sick the last few months. 

[Jim Young 2,356]

I heard he is not well.  I would stop payment until his health has been determined. 

[peppy197 165]

ok thanks I will request a refund from Paypal with good intentions.

[Gregg_Seipp 568]

10 hours ago, pegruder said:

Ralph is def not a scam as I have purchased RealATC from him.  I have several email from him in 2015 and 2016 when I made the purchases.  I hope he is ok.

As for the OP.  It all depends on what your looking for in your ATC.  I've used Vox, ProATC-X and Pilot2ATC.  The first question is do you want to be actually speaking to your 'virtual' controller?  If you do not want to then ProATC-X is probably the best choice.  I haven't used PF3 to know if they have 'buttons' only options.  If you want to speak to the controller that gives you some options.  VOX is voice only as is  P2A, however P2A has a 'say it' feature while having your co-pilot auto reply.  So essentially you can get away with buttons only use even though it was meant for you to speak to it.  

Pro-ATC X

• Moving map features
• Button control
• Background chatter
• SIDs/STARs
• Supports from startup to shutdown
• Doesn't control AI from what I remember
• Can pre-choose your gate (If I remember correctly) while enroute so you can have an idea where you're going when you arrive

VOX (Last version I used was 6.x)

• No moving map
• All voice control from what I remember (It's been awhile)
• Supports from startup to shutdown
• VERY cool progressive taxi feature.  It would light up the taxi ways you were to take along your route.  Maybe not realistic but extremely helpful - especially not having a moving map!
• It injects its OWN AI (pulled from your AI addon) - and controls them!  On the ground, in the air, the chatter you here is actually around you and controlled by your controller.

Pilot2ATC

• This is my current ATC of choice, dev is always making improvements
• Moving map, flight planning and more
• Mainly voice controlled (works pretty well)
• Supports from startup to shutdown
• Doesn't control AI
• Supports Xplane and P3D which is useful if your flying both and want to keep a common ATC addon.  I don't believe the other options do.
• SIDs, Stars, the pilot can request different runways and I believe approaches.
• Supports VFR from what I understand although I haven't actually tried it for that.
• Supports background like Pro-ATC.

 

That covers about what I remember.  If anyone wants to fact-check me on something i forgot or may have been added/removed.  Happy landings!

Sums it up pretty well.  VOX and Pilot2ATC has a demo. 

I'm curious how Pilot2ATC is doing lately.  I've tried the demo about a year ago  but had some issues...CTDs, ATC forgetting about me, etc.  I'd hope those issues would be worked out?

[mikealpha 266]

On 2.8.2017 at 9:39 AM, captain420 said:

Wish some of these developers can team up or collaborate and come up with 1 good one

Yeah, after using/trying all four of them, that`s what I was also asking myself more than once.

All the talents combined together and voice actors from all over the world just for one ATC addon, so good everyone has to buy it.

Daydreaming ... 😊

[ricka47 611]

I've tried all and always go back to default after a while as something is always missing.  Now, I'm trying the P3Dv4 version of VoxATC and am liking it so far.  One thing that I have to have is AI recognized and controlled by ATC and it does have that.

[pegruder 65]

On 8/5/2017 at 1:52 AM, Gregg_Seipp said:

Sums it up pretty well.  VOX and Pilot2ATC has a demo. 

I'm curious how Pilot2ATC is doing lately.  I've tried the demo about a year ago  but had some issues...CTDs, ATC forgetting about me, etc.  I'd hope those issues would be worked out?

I've been using it exclusively.  I don't have any more CTDs *Knocks on wood* in quite some time now.  My common issue is ATC appearing to lose me although this hasn't happened in the last build or two.  My only other complaint that hasn't been nailed down yet is when I enable the virtual co-pilot to respond to atc.  Occasionally P2A tells itself it was garbled and to retransmit or that the readback is wrong.  Nothing that isn't easily corrected via just chiming in yourself.  Between VOX and P2A I've also noticed vox seemed to be a little more forgiving on misspeaking, although it could have just been me,

[cleonpack93 79]

Personally I love ProATC/X. I've been using it for about 6 months now. Developer is continuously pushing updates and they have a website, support forum, and facebook page that are all very usefull (the Facebook group usually gets you the fastest responses). If you really put the time in, it can be an amazingly powerful tool. You can customize the background ATC by individual airport and radar sector, and even low/high altitude. It takes hours of work to set it up if you want to get that detailed, but it's AMAZING when you do. I am hearing real KDEN ground communications while I am getting set up and then hear Denver Center, Salt Lake Center, Los Angeles Center, etc. in the background as I go along. Also, my biggest issue with the Pilot2ATC demo is that the controller talks back to you in a computerized voice, whereas ProATC uses real recorded voices and has the option to download and add more voice packs and even create your own.

I very highly recommend it if you are willing to take the time to learn and play with it.

[Nyxx 6,993]

6 hours ago, cleonpack93 said:

You can customize the background ATC by individual airport and radar sector, and even low/high altitude.

How do you do that?

[cleonpack93 79]

9 hours ago, Nyxx said:

How do you do that?

 

[Nyxx 6,993]

Will have a watch thank you.