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So, assuming same clock rate, instead of 20fps we'll have 22fps? You'll have to excuse me if I don't get too excited.

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LM gave is v4 which gave us such a big bump in performance which is the equivalent of 8 years of Intel's progress.

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No argument on the multicore performance but single core will come down to it's overclocking ability compared with 7700k. For non overclockers, it looks damn good out of the box though. 

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24 minutes ago, Slayer said:

No mention if there will be a version for x299?

To quote from a tech site news item:

"It is broadly expected that, owing to the extra cores Intel are squeezing into their Coffee Lake processors, there isn’t going to be any backwards compatibility with the 200-series of motherboards Intel introduced at the start of the year with Kaby Lake."

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5 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

So, assuming same clock rate, instead of 20fps we'll have 22fps? You'll have to excuse me if I don't get too excited.

20 fps is unplayable... if your coming from a 7700k it's hardly worth it but if your coming from a 4790k like myself it is due to the 25-30% increase in clock for clock efficiency  in my case that would net me 10fps since I rarely drop below 30 now in p3dv3 an extra 1 fps would ensure smoth game play in all situations 

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after years of intel screwing the consumer, i went with amd with my 1800x, i can run my sims just fine, i am closing the book on intel,i will stick with amd until i am dead.

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On 8/21/2017 at 1:03 PM, VeryBumpy said:

So, assuming same clock rate, instead of 20fps we'll have 22fps? You'll have to excuse me if I don't get too excited.

I thought it was just me...but I haven't been much excited about ANY cpu, past 2010.  Moore's Law died with heat.

I have a long-in-the-tooth 'age wise...' i7-975 Extreme 4 core, running at 4.3 overclock. it gives me 27-30 FPS in all my sims, and 40-50 for XP11, AND...120 plus in AF2.   

I just can't get excited about all the cpu's that followed its release, with picking up two or three FPS for hundreds of dollars asked for them.  I dunno...it was an exciting time for CPU's when Celeron and Pentium ruled the roost.  Then, you could see amazing performance gains, for the money.  Now...blah. CPU's have hit a wall...

My take anyway....

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i was excited about ryzen, but nothing intel is exciting anymore, we should have 10ghz cpu's by now running on air.then all the flight sims would run at 100fps, we also should have 500mb of cache for scenery loading and games that require high single threaded performance.we have been hovering around 4 to 5 ghz for 10 years now.

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1 hour ago, Patriot3810 said:

i was excited about ryzen, but nothing intel is exciting anymore, we should have 10ghz cpu's by now running on air.then all the flight sims would run at 100fps, we also should have 500mb of cache for scenery loading and games that require high single threaded performance.we have been hovering around 4 to 5 ghz for 10 years now.

That's because mores law had a flaw HEAT and still the same today speed=fiction=heat=meltdown.

AMD were into 64bit years ago but drip fed it to clear there stocks, it is also said intel chip are made on the same silicon an i7 7700k has 16 cores only 4 are unlocked.

Ray Fry.

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4 hours ago, rjfry said:

That's because mores law had a flaw HEAT

Moore's Law was about transistor density, not clock speed, and it's still alive and valid.

Cheers!

Luke

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Then why put more cores on the silicon more CPU`s when all we want is one big one clocked at 10ghz by know. Back in the early days we were told they would just get faster and faster in terms of clock speed, on FSX release we were looking forward to the first 5ghz stock clocked CPU`s they never came.

Even the core count may hit a wall someday.

http://www.economist.com/technology-quarterly/2016-03-12/after-moores-law

Ray Fry.

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Interesting they are sticking with LGA1151. They usually switch it by now to ensure people keep buying MBs.

But I doubt Z170 chipsets will be compatible irregardless. 

 

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8 hours ago, rjfry said:

Then why put more cores on the silicon more CPU`s when all we want is one big one clocked at 10ghz by know. Back in the early days we were told they would just get faster and faster in terms of clock speed, on FSX release we were looking forward to the first 5ghz stock clocked CPU`s they never came.

As I mentioned, Moore's Law is about transistor density. As you get more transistors, you get more cores, cache, etc. While smaller transistors can support faster clockings, it's not the only limiting factor.

About a decade ago Intel and AMD made some unpleasant discoveries regarding current leakage, heat, etc. as they were passing 3Ghz and raw clock speeds have more or less stalled out. It's not surprising that these things would occur - planes got faster and faster until we got above Mach .85 and then the fuel consumption (never mind heat and materials when supersonic) stopped that march forwards.

It's also worth remembering that "we" is a very small group. Most computer users prefer lower power consumption and more cores rather than a single monster-clocked core. It would be far cheaper and easier to rewrite the sims to handle multiple cores better, than it would be to engineer such a CPU.

Cheers!

Luke

 

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7 hours ago, HighTowers said:

Interesting they are sticking with LGA1151. They usually switch it by now to ensure people keep buying MBs.

But I doubt Z170 chipsets will be compatible irregardless. 

 

Did i miss something? From my actual knowledge of the subject z270 won´t be compatible either...

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I find the 6 cores more enticing than the IPC.  8700K at stock clocks 6 cores at 4.3Ghz  with HT and turbo enabled, IMO that kicks serious butt for out of box.  My 4 years old 4770k @4.5 OC finally seems to be looking its age, though I won't pull the trigger on a new build just for FSX.  Sure it's some performance improvement, but considering that alone, for my needs, it's not worth the build cost.

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Already buying some parts to fully replace my 4790k @ 4.7Ghz build, which has served me very well. Already bought 32Gb DDR4 3200 and a 4Tb WD Raptor just for Ortho4XP goodness. Unfortunately need to wait a bit to buy the MoBo + CPU. 

The only thing I will be maintaining from my current PC is the 1080Ti, the SSDs and, of course, Monitor + Oculus Rift!

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On 03/09/2017 at 1:53 PM, tgcbraun said:

Already buying some parts to fully replace my 4790k @ 4.7Ghz build, which has served me very well. Already bought 32Gb DDR4 3200 and a 4Tb WD Raptor just for Ortho4XP goodness. Unfortunately need to wait a bit to buy the MoBo + CPU. 

The only thing I will be maintaining from my current PC is the 1080Ti, the SSDs and, of course, Monitor + Oculus Rift!

tgcbraun give me some feedback about your upgrade please, since im also thinking on a CPU upgrade to feed my hungry 1080 ti, what's the behaviour of the 7700k compared to 4790k in simming?

 

Thanks.

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11 hours ago, dmarques69 said:

tgcbraun give me some feedback about your upgrade please, since im also thinking on a CPU upgrade to feed my hungry 1080 ti, what's the behaviour of the 7700k compared to 4790k in simming?

 

Thanks.

Hi, I wanted to buy the 8700k, but it is not available in Germany, so I ended up buying the 7700k. I have only installed XP11 until now, because I am waiting for P3D v4.1. I did notice a good FPS bump of about 30% and am able to mantain 40-50fps, for example, in London with the beautiful FF 767-300, Aerosoft's EGLL, Ortho4XP, World4XP and online traffic. Loading times are also better!

Besides simming, the system feels much snappier in general. 3200 DDR4 makes a good difference when compared to the old 1366 DDR3!

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11 minutes ago, tgcbraun said:

3200 DDR4 makes a good difference when compared to the old 1366 DDR3!

Make sure you're actually running the RAM's appropriate XMP profile for that speed, else it'll just be running a default 2133 out of the box :)

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Just now, Sethos1988 said:

Make sure you're actually running the RAM's appropriate XMP profile for that speed, else it'll just be running a default 2133 out of the box :)

Yes, first thing I did in the BIOS. Thanks! :)

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