What is the conceptual difference between https://www.fsaerodata.com/   and http://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html? To me, it looks like the two have the same purpose?

After using aero.sors I switched to fsaerodata because it provided updates to all approaches, including GPS, etc., as well as updating runway designators. It also seemed to have a more complete update of intersections. It has been well worth the price for me.

Jesse

P.S. I don't think aero.sors provides airspace updates either, but that is included with fsaerodata. I don't remember for sure but fsaerodata may be the only one of the two that provides SIDs and STARs. ??

Edited February 26, 20188 yr by JesC

The utilities by Hers Sors are free and contribute much to the world of simulation.  The FSAerodata product is payware, and you pay and pay and pay.  If you are using FMS based aircraft then the Hers Sors utilities are perfect for fixing the occasional glitch such as VOR frequency changes, and a separate subscription based service provides your navdata for the FMS.  If you are flying GA aircraft with default or addon GPS then the FSAerodata route makes more sense.

Ok thank you.

Oh, and downscc, you mention addon GPS that uses up-to-date navdata? I am currently looking for GPS addons and my conclusion is somehow that you can either go with the old FS9 GPS and have updated data, or you can go RealityXP or F1 GPS and have nav data from 2009 and obscure/illegal/expensive/undocumented ways to get these up-to-date. So.. are there really GPS addons that are 'better' than the default GPS and use the navdata from fsaerodata/navigraph?

If your absolute goal is up to date data every cycle - default gps with FSAerodata is the only way to go.  Unfortunately the default gps is clunky and doesn't have all the features like the GNS or GTNs do.

There are plenty of expired navdata around for both units.

the only way to get 100% current data for use in the GNS and GTNs is to buy their extremely expensive  real world data the pilots use.

the above is all for GA.  You can buy pmdg or any big airliner with FMS and have navigraph data

just a heads up, with FSAerodata I think you also need a navigraph subscription if you want 100% up to date data

2 hours ago, JesC said:

After using aero.sors I switched to fsaerodata because it provided updates to all approaches, including GPS, etc., as well as updating runway designators. It also seemed to have a more complete update of intersections. It has been well worth the price for me.

Jesse

P.S. I don't think aero.sors provides airspace updates either, but that is included with fsaerodata. I don't remember for sure but fsaerodata may be the only one of the two that provides SIDs and STARs. ??

Those points are all correct.  As an aside, if one is stuck with the two Garmin GTN gauges and their AIRAC 1611, fsaerodata provides that legacy AIRAC as an optional download, so that everything stays in sync with the GTN.

15 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Those points are all correct.  As an aside, if one is stuck with the two Garmin GTN gauges and their AIRAC 1611, fsaerodata provides that legacy AIRAC as an optional download, so that everything stays in sync with the GTN.

This is a great point!

Honestly I myself get a bit confused over what is what.  It appears the aerodata provides a more complete package.... ILS's/VOR/NDB/fixes, SIDS/STARS, terminal IAP's, and updated every cycle.

I think if your runway is plainly wrong and needs an update there's still nothing to change that except amend it in ADEX.

33 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

I think if your runway is plainly wrong and needs an update there's still nothing to change that except amend it in ADEX.

Based on my experience, fsaerodata will change the runway numbers at default and simple "afcad" style airports. I don't think it will touch your add on airports but I would imagine you would have added those because they already reflect the changes.It will not add runways or move airports...  yet.

Jesse

Oh really?  That's great - I will definitely check it out!

2 hours ago, JesC said:

Based on my experience, fsaerodata will change the runway numbers at default and simple "afcad" style airports. I don't think it will touch your add on airports but I would imagine you would have added those because they already reflect the changes.It will not add runways or move airports...  yet.

Jesse

What do you mean by change runway numbers? Does the number on the actual runway and or signs change? That seems hard to believe...

Edited February 26, 20188 yr by Bobsk8

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What do you mean by change runway numbers? Does the number on the actual runway and or signs change? That seems hard to believe...

No, it just changes them on all ATC communications. The labeling would still need to be changed in ADE. However, the developer of fsaerodata recently announced his intention to provide updated airport files also, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that add-on. The last person to do that en masse was Burkhard Renk who updated 1000s of stock airports in P3d for My Traffic 6. Of course, many of those are now out of date.

It's not a big chore to update  an airport with ADE. I've done about 120 of the biggest NA airports for personal use, minus the payware ones that I already had purchased. Even those payware airports go out of date and some developers aren't that keen on updating things like taxiway numbers, runway numbers and gate airline codes.

I normally use Soros, but did try fsaerodata.  For me, Soros was just fine since I have a navdata subscription.  

I certainly would not be comfortable with a program coming in an making changes to all my default airports, but that's just me.  

blaustern

53 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What do you mean by change runway numbers? Does the number on the actual runway and or signs change? That seems hard to believe...

Runway number: YES

Signs: No

Jesse

EDIT: BTW I have confirmed that in my sim.

Edited February 26, 20188 yr by JesC

4 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Those points are all correct.  As an aside, if one is stuck with the two Garmin GTN gauges and their AIRAC 1611, fsaerodata provides that legacy AIRAC as an optional download, so that everything stays in sync with the GTN.

I have done this as well as load it into Little Navmap so now P3D, Gtn 750 and Little Navmap are all sync’d.

Is there a way to load AIRAC 1611 into my PMDG aircraft so I can have it sync’d with LNM as well? Navigraph will only load the most current I think which in my system was 1708 can I get Navigraph to use the 1611 file I have and if so how?

Thanks in advance

Joe

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

What do you mean by change runway numbers? Does the number on the actual runway and or signs change? That seems hard to believe...

The freeware mentioned above will also do that for you, at default airports