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P3D v4 : New rig, new hopes...

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Hi folks,

I won't ask how P3D will run with my new hardware because nobody really knows the answer yet. 😄
Will it be a huge gap jumping from a 6700K to a 9900K? I don't know...
Did I make the right choice on components? Well, I believe so after reading (and learning) a lot on that matter.
It took me around 2 weeks to carefully choose and order the following:

CPU: i9 9900K
Mobo: Asus Maximus XI Formula
RAM: 32 Gb G.Skill Trident Z DDR4 4000MHz CL18
GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080Ti XC ULTRA GAMING
PSU: Corsair AX1600i
Water-cooling: Alphacool Eissturm Blizzard Copper 45, 3x120mm (Very reliable German company)

My present setup is a i7 6700K o/c @ 4.8, Maximus VIII Formula, 32 Gb G.Skill "RipJaws 5" DDR4 3200MHz CL14 and I've already improved overall smoothness and FPS last month when switching from a GTX1080 to the RTX 2080Ti.
What I expect now is to reasonably reduce stutters and maybe increase some settings like shadows, traffic and other CPU dependent features.

Will tell you in a week or so!
😉

 

 

 

 

 

- PC Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D //  Asus ROG Crosshair X870E HERO //  2x32Gb Corsair Dominator Titanium DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 //  ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition // 4Tb Corsair NVMe M.2 MP600  //  Corsair 1600W PSU
Samsung Odyssey Arc 55" curved 165 Hz monitor.
- Simulator Hardware: VIRPIL Constellation Alpha Prime + VIRPIL VPC Universal Control Panel - #3 + MOZA AY210 Force Feedback Yoke + WINWING URSA MINOR 32 Throttle & PAC Metal + WINWING SKYWALKER Metal Rudder Pedals + WINWING Airbus FCU & EFIS + WINWING Boeing 3N PAP + WINWING MCDU-32 + WINWING PFP-4 + WINWING PFP 3-N + WINWING PFP-7. 

   

 

 

Just wanted to point out that your new build will actually have higher-latency memory than the old one.  Your present 3200/14 RAM has 8.75 ns true latency, which is still quite good.  The new 4000/18 RAM is 9.0ns memory, actually about 3% slower.  Not a huge difference, but why not use what you've already got?

I just upgraded from a quad 7700K at 5 GHz to a hexacore 8086K at 5.3GHz.  The extra two cores made a difference in smoothness and allows more autogen, higher LOD radius etc.  I think you'll like the 9900K for the same reasons.

Regards

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

 

I just upgraded from a quad 7700K at 5 GHz to a hexacore 8086K at 5.3GHz.  The extra two cores made a difference in smoothness and allows more autogen, higher LOD radius etc.  I think you'll like the 9900K for the same reasons.

Regards

 

I’m pondering doing the exact same upgrade.  Any improvement in FPS?

Matt Wilson

7 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

I’m pondering doing the exact same upgrade.  Any improvement in FPS?

I use a 55" 4K TV @ 30Hz, with VSync on, so my frame rates are/were locked by hardware vsync at 30 fps before/after the upgrade.  The difference for me is a significant reduction in occasional stutters that used to result from the fps drops below 30 fps that occurred during scenery loading (e.g. when crossing tile boundaries).  Having four physical cores available to handle those workload spikes instead of only two makes a marked difference.  I also think that the faster RAM I'm using is helping with autogen loading.

Regards

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

12 minutes ago, w6kd said:

I use a 55" 4K TV @ 30Hz, with VSync on, so my frame rates are/were locked by hardware vsync at 30 fps before/after the upgrade.  The difference for me is a significant reduction in occasional stutters that used to result from the fps drops below 30 fps that occurred during scenery loading (e.g. when crossing tile boundaries).  Having four physical cores available to handle those workload spikes instead of only two makes a marked difference.  I also think that the faster RAM I'm using is helping with autogen loading.

Regards

 

In P3D Bob, do you set frames to 30 when using hardware vsync ? I am about to do a major upgrade with a 9900K and 2080 ( a 2080Ti will blow my budget unfortunately ) I have a LG 43UD79 43" IPS panel, with option for 4K @ 30HZ.

System: MSFS2024, ASUS Rog Stryx Z790-A,  Intel i9-14900KF,  Asus ROG Ryujin III 360 , Asus Hyperion Case,Rog Stryx 4090 OC, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD,64Gb G Skill Memory, Asus Aura 1200W Gold PSU,Win 11 ,LG C4 48" 4K OLED Screen., Airbus TCA Full Kit, Stream Deck XL. WinWing FCU, EFIS, MCDU

 

1 minute ago, ZKOKQ said:

In P3D Bob, do you set frames to 30 when using hardware vsync ? I am about to do a major upgrade with a 9900K and 2080 ( a 2080Ti will blow my budget unfortunately ) I have a LG 43UD79 43" IPS panel, with option for 4K @ 30HZ.

No, P3D's internal frame rate is set to unlimited.  VSync on with triple-buffering enabled, and the TV is set for 30 Hz.  As long as I don't configure things too aggressively to the point where I start having frame rate excursions below 30, it makes for the smoothest config I've ever had.

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

1 minute ago, w6kd said:

No, P3D's internal frame rate is set to unlimited.  VSync on with triple-buffering enabled, and the TV is set for 30 Hz.  As long as I don't configure things too aggressively to the point where I start having frame rate excursions below 30, it makes for the smoothest config I've ever had.

 

Good one, thanks Bob.

System: MSFS2024, ASUS Rog Stryx Z790-A,  Intel i9-14900KF,  Asus ROG Ryujin III 360 , Asus Hyperion Case,Rog Stryx 4090 OC, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD,64Gb G Skill Memory, Asus Aura 1200W Gold PSU,Win 11 ,LG C4 48" 4K OLED Screen., Airbus TCA Full Kit, Stream Deck XL. WinWing FCU, EFIS, MCDU

 

@David Roch Your new PSU would have 1600W, unless you plan to build up a small bitcoin mining farm, isn't that a bit too much for a usual gaming rig? 😂 On which resolution do you run P3D? I'm also planning on upgrading my 1060 to a 1080TI, despite it's already hugely overprized. I expect major performance improvements in terms of clouds, anti-aliasing and dynamic lighting. To be honest, in the current situation it would probably be the best to wait for P3Dv5 which will hopefully bring a lot of code optimizations (for example, performance of dynamic lighting is a joke at the moment...)

Regards, Sebastian

 

+1 on hoping for Prepar3D optimizations in P3Dv5.  I'd forego any new features at all if they could just make this sim run faster on current hardware.

Mark

 

Mark Trainer

 

I second Sebastians comment about the PSU, what the heck are you going to do with this rig, power the whole house? ;-) Unless you have extensive external hardware using power from the PSU via USB Connections and stuff, 1600W is totally oversized. I still use my 580W PSU, with an overclocked i7 8700K and an overclocked 1080Ti. No issue at all, 600W for such a setup is by far sufficient.

Then I also second the comment about RAM timings. FSX/P3D still profits from fast RAM, but not only regarding bandwith, but also timings (latency). Those 4000MHz modules usually buy bandwith at the cost of latency. 4133MHz CL17 would be the modules to go if you really want he best, 3200MHz CL14 is the best compromise between latency and bandwith.

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

I have fractal PSU 650W on my rig and it's more than enough. I just upgraded to 8086K (which was shortly cheaper than 8700K), tuned to 5.1 ghz. I am more than happy. 

Ivan Majetic

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO; 7900X3D; NZXT KRAKEN ELITE 360, GIGABYTE RTX 4080; G.SKILL TridentZ NEO RGB DDR5 64 Gb, WD HDD 2TB, SAMSUNG 980PRO, SAMSUNG 970EVO Plus 2x, ALIENWARE 3423DWF

As always please fly into egll with ai on and using ornx England in a payware aircraft and see how you get on. 

Then fly into uk2000 Gatwick and youll be able to make a nice cup of the 🍵 while you wait for the pause on landing.

Then raise a ticket at LM, uk2000, and orbx and youll see Jack has changed. 

 
 
 
 
 
  913456

I dont really get it, Pete, on what post or discussion do you comment on? The scenario you mention is the absolute worst case, but what does it tell us? Nothing. You can easily set up the sim as such as the performance for your worst test scenario is acceptable, all you then have to do is: can you get along with those settings for other, less heavy scenarios? If yes, fine, if no, P3D still offers the presets making it possible to use lower settings when flying in and out of heavy scenarios such as EGLL with AI traffic compared to VFR flying over ORBX country side regions with small GA airfields. You can even switch those presets on the fly.

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

The point in making is it makes zero odds on buying a super duper set up the sim is still based on a 20 year old engine which still has the egkk pause and terribly optimised London area both of which LM have never addressed neither did aces when they where around. Sure it looks better and doesnt oom but you still can't fly into Gatwick or Heathrow without issues no matter how many 2080s you got in sli, no matter what the psu wattage youve got or whatever affinity mask you set. I have dreams that one day I'll wake up and Gatwick and Heathrow have been fixed. 

This video shows the pauses perfectly it's horrendous. 

Watch it from 1 min 20 onwards. 

 

When the old gsx was out people mentioned for YEARS there was an issue with new foundland and ctds.  People said we where mad for even suggesting there was an issue.  Then gsx2 came out and the issue has gone.   

Same with london its an an absolute sink hole that no one wants to address.  Just like the newfoundland CTD that had 20+ pages. Not once did LM step into help Umberto resolve the issue. 

Edited by tooting

 
 
 
 
 
  913456
45 minutes ago, tooting said:

The point in making is it makes zero odds on buying a super duper set up the sim is still based on a 20 year old engine which still has the egkk pause and terribly optimised London area both of which LM have never addressed neither did aces when they where around. Sure it looks better and doesnt oom but you still can't fly into Gatwick or Heathrow without issues no matter how many 2080s you got in sli, no matter what the psu wattage youve got or whatever affinity mask you set. I have dreams that one day I'll wake up and Gatwick and Heathrow have been fixed. 

Spot-on, Pete. Precisely valid points. With you on this, but at the end of the day, we're free to purchase what we want, even if we're deluding ourselves, we will have Nirvana.

Edited by vc10man

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