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Why isn't there a LOT more study level aircrafts?

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Hi guys,

 I know the flightsim community might not be that big for a study level aircraft to maybe be profitable but we only have PMDG(737,747,777), fslabs(a320) and majestic q400(unfinished?).

Isn't this absurd low amount of aircrafts besides GA? We completely miss the entire airbus range and russian/ukranian ones. For boeing I trust PMDG to update and continue developing new products.

Also, besides study level, the new updated products of Aerosoft is doable after them, it's all kinda terrible to be honest..

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You can add FS Labs Concorde to that list sometime in 2019.

An enormous amount of effort goes into making these study level aircraft as accurate as possible and not everyone has the knowledge, desire or time to do it.

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12 minutes ago, mustiej said:

Hi guys,

 I know the flightsim community might not be that big for a study level aircraft to maybe be profitable but we only have PMDG(737,747,777), fslabs(a320) and majestic q400(unfinished?).

Isn't this absurd low amount of aircrafts besides GA? We completely miss the entire airbus range and russian/ukranian ones. For boeing I trust PMDG to update and continue developing new products.

Also, besides study level, the new updated products of Aerosoft is doable after them, it's all kinda terrible to be honest..

There's always crochet, needlepoint, or some other stimulating hobby....😁

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3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

You can add FS Labs Concorde to that list sometime in 2019.

An enormous amount of effort goes into making these study level aircraft as accurate as possible and not everyone has the knowledge, desire or time to do it.

I didn't know that, nice! I really want to see some russian/ukranian ones along with a380 or something..

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29 minutes ago, mustiej said:

majestic q400(unfinished?)

Well, you'll have to explain to me how you think the Dash 8 Q400 is unfinished.

You also forgot the Leonardo MaddogX.

 

Best wishes.

 

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I look forward to the day when P3D has all their default aircraft only at the "study level". This way we can move on to "reality level".:smile:

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All aircraft are study level, provided they fly decently and have some avionics. The more complex aircraft might require more study regarding which buttons to push but even a humble GA tiddler provides everything needed for honing flying skills. Of course I do get that study level can mean more procedural and system challenges, but soon everything will be study level and they'll have to invent a new fangled phrase to stand out from the crowd.

First aircraft I learned on was a Rolleson Beta, a fabulous little tail dragger. The study level bit of it was learning how to survive each landing without a ground loop, because it had a tiny rudder and a very rearward centre of gravity!

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Years of development go into production of this kind of release and have a consequential relationship with end user cost too , not all clients are happy to shell out that much money or spend time with the manual , the firewall the throttle group outnumbers the study lever cohort by a large margin .

 

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I mean, I think the aircrafts are the most important addons. Would much rather pay 100bucks for a couple of them instead of paying for weather, textures etc..

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To me "Study Level" is any aircraft that has a full array of systems along with failures that are simulated.  It also has to have amazing visual textures, since if it doesn't then that takes away a lot from the realism experience.

Some of the ones that I consider "Study Level"  or maybe close, off the top of my head:

• PMDG

• iFly

• Flightsim Labs

• Majestic

• Leonardo

• TFDi

• Flight Factor (X-Plane)

• Toliss (X-Plane)

• Aerosoft/Digital Aviation

•Vertical Reality

• Vertx

• FlyJSim (X-Plane)

• Flight1

• AirFoilLabs (X-Plane)

• Eaglesoft Development Group (Soon to release the Challenger 605 and Citation X for P3Dv4 )

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I think A2A counts, too.

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46 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

To me "Study Level" is any aircraft that has a full array of systems along with failures that are simulated.  It also has to have amazing visual textures, since if it doesn't then that takes away a lot from the realism experience.

Some of the ones that I consider "Study Level"  or maybe close, off the top of my head:

• PMDG

• iFly

• Flightsim Labs

• Majestic

• Leonardo

• TFDi

• Flight Factor (X-Plane)

• Toliss (X-Plane)

• Aerosoft/Digital Aviation

•Vertical Reality

• Vertx

• FlyJSim (X-Plane)

• Flight1

• AirFoilLabs (X-Plane)

• Eaglesoft Development Group (Soon to release the Challenger 605 and Citation X for P3Dv4 )

I agree with pmdg, majestic, leonardo and flightsim labs. But fslabs only has a320 for now, same goes for majestic for the q400,ifly is basically leonardo same ac and all the others are either xplane or not worthy or GA. I don't know, feels not much 😕

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49 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

Eaglesoft Development Group (Soon to release the Challenger 605 and Citation X for P3Dv4 )

 

Doubtful... they haven't released anything in like 10 years and all they do is post screenshots on Facebook while "considering the possibility of thinking about maybe" making add-ons for P3D V4.

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20 minutes ago, mustiej said:

I agree with pmdg, majestic, leonardo and flightsim labs. But fslabs only has a320 for now, same goes for majestic for the q400,ifly is basically leonardo same ac and all the others are either xplane or not worthy or GA. I don't know, feels not much 😕

Ifly is basically Leonardo??  Seems u just want to start an argument.

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1 hour ago, signmanbob said:

To me "Study Level" is any aircraft that has a full array of systems along with failures that are simulated.  It also has to have amazing visual textures, since if it doesn't then that takes away a lot from the realism experience.

Some of the ones that I consider "Study Level"  or maybe close, off the top of my head:

• PMDG

• iFly

• Flightsim Labs

• Majestic

• Leonardo

• TFDi

• Flight Factor (X-Plane)

• Toliss (X-Plane)

• Aerosoft/Digital Aviation

•Vertical Reality

• Vertx

• FlyJSim (X-Plane)

• Flight1

• AirFoilLabs (X-Plane)

• Eaglesoft Development Group (Soon to release the Challenger 605 and Citation X for P3Dv4 )

Flysimware Lear 35 and Dassault F50 Falcon definitely belong on any such list.

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7 minutes ago, Wink207 said:

Flysimware Lear 35 and Dassault F50 Falcon definitely belong on any such list.

Their Cessna 441 Conquest II does too, then, I think.  :)

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31 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Ifly is basically Leonardo??  Seems u just want to start an argument.

Hahahahahahaha.  I questioned that too, but since i don't have any of the iFly products I didn't say anything.  I hear their products are pretty good, but up to Leonardo's?  I don't know about that.

 

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    I have several (many) of the 'Study Level' aircraft and even being retired, I don't have the time that each one deserves.    How many is enough?  🙂 

I think that we, flight simmers, are lucky that there are so many dedicated developers out there producing these fine add-ons.  But that's just me.  😎

 

Bill

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I don't own it, but... Quality Wings 787?

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...and while we are at it, the new JustFlight tiddlers C152 and PA28....

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You want study level? Get the 744. It should keep you busy for a while, provided you have the staying power.

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"Study Level" P3D only

The top tier

FSL A320

FSL A319 <these are not just model differences its a different aircraft.

Hopefully soon A321

PMDG NG-777-747- -8

Leonardo MadDog

Majestic

2nd tier

iFly

TDFI

3rd Tier

Quality Wings 787

Captain Sim 757

Aerosoft 318-321

Not going to include small jets or GA's as their development time is a fraction of producing all of the above.

 

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You left out the black box range and the aerosoft crj. 😉 

That blackbox had been in beta nearly 10 years now.  Come on chock,  tell me its fab

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If you really want the ultimate in systems and aerodynamics on the PC, get the 744 PSX and use it with an external scenery generator of choice.

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