>Well, that's kind of how I see it. FS2002 to FS2004? Not too>much difference.>>>RhettThat's why I'm still using FS2002 :-lol. I saw no significant improvements with FS2004, so I stuck with FS2002. I've been using FS2002 for five years .... FSX better run smoothly :-boom :-lol

>>Isn't all this a bit pointless and premature?>>Until the demo is out or FSX is in the shops and on people's>>systems how can anybody decide it's not for them? :-roll >>I admit the 'Demo'? you refer to, is not out. Nor have I ever>seen a 'Demo' for any Flight Sim program from M.S.?>Why the question mark?

I give up. FS is horrible. Unbelievable.Ian.

>Turn left on final>and have a look at what the runway looks like-its>hilarious!!In 20 odd years MS could not get the perspective>right-a must for any kind of flight training. >I've flown real airplanes for years....What am I missing here?With the combinations of the VC's that I use, it looks pretty good from my perpective. I'm at a loss, as to what's hilarious about it.L.Adamson

"I saw no significant improvements with FS2004,so I stuck with FS2002"Just a point since this is about the 3rd time in this thread I have seen this statement....Fs2004 added every instrument approach precision and non for the entire world to the atc system-with ability to ask for vectors or fly it on your own.This alone is/was amazing (I still can't figure out how they did it!), staggering, unreal, and if an add on company had added this feature for 3 times the price of the upgrade to fs2004 I would have bought it immediately. This is of course one of many things that were upgraded-some small-some huge like this.Noticing the improvements seem to be in the eye of the beholder as are any new future improvements. They will not satisfy all, but they will for sure be there, lots of them big and lots small,and certainly worth the upgrade price.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

>"Heard all the same comments and concerns from the same folks>who said they were sticking with FS2002 and are now saying>they are sticking with FS2004.">>Interesting...>>Ron do you have the proof that me, Dillon, and Dave made these>same comments about FS2k4 back in 03'. I don't recall having>an issue personally with FS2k4 prior to it's release... :-hmmm>Ha Ha, nope. Should have said "many of the same folks"...:-)

My biggest concern is stability and fps, over the last couple of years I've ended up re-installing FS on several occasions just so that I could fly at all, in the last couple of weeks it's all gone off again, to the point that as I posted in the general forum, I have now gone off FS altogether for a bit, I'm now playing 18 Wheels of Steel: Convoy (which does for trucks what FS does for planes) and loving it. At the same time I've picked up my old Metascape rule books and am databasing all my old campaign data for a sci-fi campaign set in the next couple of years, that culminates normally in me flying FS again, BUT and here's the but, FSX is really gonna need to run smooth with all the new visual fx on it, and if it's not stable then...... Back to trucking methinks.

>Why the question mark? Im asking you. When did you play a 'Demo' of a Microsoft Flightsim'? (Look there's another one)

Holy crap! Fellas, take a step back. Think about why you're whining. This is a $50 video game. Buy it, or don't, or write your own.You're free to complain, but there are certainly bigger problems in the world.Love,E

>>Why the question mark? >>Im asking you. When did you play a 'Demo' of a Microsoft>Flightsim'? (Look there's another one)>Answer 1. Never.Answer 2. Suggest you read up more on what's to come with FSX. :-lol

"Ha Ha, nope. Should have said "many of the same folks"..."That statement still doesn't sound to good seeing I didn't have a problem with FS2k4 prior to it's release either... :-)Dave what about you??? :-hmmm

I was speaking in general terms and did not intend to offend anyone. Did not name names or question anyones integrity:-)

"We have never been the target market, we are not the target market now, and we will not be the target market in the future.And who is to say SOME of our suggestions will not make their way into the released product?"Now that's an interesting thought, that I hadn't given much consideration. It's probably that "target market" that provides all of the funding so we can buy a very excellent flight simulator for $80(?) as opposed to several thousand. Personally, I would buy it for nothing other than the new missions interface. Creating adventures was a pain with the adventures language in FS2004, but the few who did them provided some excellent results, with real ATC recordings, etc. I am looking foward to the process being much easier, and I think it will turn out to be one of the major enhancements to FSX. I certainly have no objections to improved visuals. I have built a new machine every time FS came out with a new edition, so I'm due for an update, considering how long FS2004 has been running.Thanks, Aces!archtx

Your right 'E' but this community takes us away from the terrible events going on in the world daily. Here we're free to take issue with meaningless entertainment titles that bring us great enjoyment on a day to day bases. If all time was spent brooding over the horrors in the world life wouldn't be worth living. No one's dropped that Nuc yet so everyday above ground is a good day.Now the one thing that can destroy this Ying Yang perspective that balances some of us hardcore simmers out is Aces releasing the XP version of FSX that doesn't run decent on anything lower than a 3gig processor. What I mean by the term 'decent' is we should have at least FS2k4 quality in FSX with better performance. Granted FSX should go above and beyond that but sliders down producing comparable scenery with FS2k4 including detailed default airports should rival what we have currently with FS2k4 and add-on

I forget what version we all got upset about and AVSIM attempted a boycott of FS....a few years backWell I dont think this is called for again but I have not read or heard of one single improvement in the code of the sim to give users better fluidity or FPS or whatever term to use. Its all about the eye candy etc etc...Of course that is nice, but whats the use of having to turn final in your plane of choice and then slide show it down to landing, and slide show it to the terminal?. Thats what seems to be the biggest issue for most users here...the slide show stutters...If I had not upgraded to a new PC, FS9 would have been a sorry piece of software to run...for me!Just adding my two cents and hope someone somewhere is getting the message...its been three years of the same complaint, suggestion, criticism or whatever word fits best. What will the sim be like performance wise?Bill