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Why do developers keep avoiding the 767 for v4?

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I see that CaptainSim has released a beta version of there 777 for P3Dv4. This came a surprise as PMDG has one of the best 777 model out right now and the community is not hurting for a 777, especially a pay version beta. If anything I figured CS would have released their 767 for P3Dv4. What is it about the 767 that developers keep avoiding? Is there some kind of gentleman's agreement with Level-D or something? Everyone knows the community is hurting for a quality 767 yet no one is in a rush to produce one. In my opinion a 767 would be a huge money maker to the developer who releases one. From reading the Level-D forums I don't see it ever being updated. I'm still waiting for the 757 they previewed 3 years ago at FlightSimCon, hahahaha.  

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Yeah its crazy, in my opinion the 767 is the perfect flightsim aircraft.  It has semi modern systems and automation like an fms and vnav, but still manual flight controls (not FBW) and many other manual systems for us simmers to play with.  Is still very common in the real world in both pax and cargo variants and it can be flown using real world routes on both short haul and long haul flights.  My time with the LDS 767 in FS9 brings back some of my fondest flightsimming memories.  

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Didn't one of the developers at Level-D pass away? So development stopped?

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the captain sim 767 will release for p3dv4 in 2019/or maybe early 2020, it was mentioned on facebook.

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2 minutes ago, Arthur42417 said:

the captain sim 767 will release for p3dv4 in 2019/or maybe early 2020, it was mentioned on facebook.

Pass.

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1 hour ago, itsjase said:

Didn't one of the developers at Level-D pass away? So development stopped?

Yeah, that guy was a real world AAL 767 captiain and was only in his fifties. I don't know what happened or if that's really what stopped production.

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1 hour ago, Arthur42417 said:

the captain sim 767 will release for p3dv4 in 2019/or maybe early 2020, it was mentioned on facebook.

Better than nothing and I enjoy their 757. Cost is crazy but this is the only “fun” I have these days so I’ll grit my teeth and chaulk it up to supporting a developer extra for giving me planes no one else will. 

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QW757 should be out soon, that's what I'm waiting for.

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17 hours ago, Arthur42417 said:

the captain sim 767 will release for p3dv4 in 2019/or maybe early 2020, it was mentioned on facebook.

By that time, P3D v5 will be out.

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1 minute ago, MikeT707 said:

By that time, P3D v5 will be out.

and the whole upgrade cycle will begin again with devs charging $$$$ again for the p3dv5 versions😂👍

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17 hours ago, itsjase said:

QW757 should be out soon, that's what I'm waiting for.

Amen to that....😎

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On 4/14/2019 at 9:00 PM, Arthur42417 said:

and the whole upgrade cycle will begin again with devs charging $$$$ again for the p3dv5 versions😂👍

That's the recipe for making money, with FSX once you bought an airport it was for life but now users need to buy the same addon anytime a new sim version is out.😉

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20 minutes ago, stesma54 said:

That's the recipe for making money, with FSX once you bought an airport it was for life but now users need to buy the same addon anytime a new sim version is out.😉

Isn't that how it's always been from FS2000, Fs2002/fs2004 and fsx? If Microsoft had made an FS11 I'm sure you wouldve had to rebuy a lot of addons.

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5 minutes ago, itsjase said:

Isn't that how it's always been from FS2000, Fs2002/fs2004 and fsx? If Microsoft had made an FS11 I'm sure you wouldve had to rebuy a lot of addons.

Indeed.

I don't really understand the whole complaint about this renewal purchase scheme. Why is it any different than within any other part of software upgrades?! 

When a new version is released, you have to re-purchase it. I don't understand why flight-simmers think they're special in that they require or expect to purchase one license for a piece of software, which should then work perpetually. When they find out that it doesn't, suddenly the developers are greedy, immoral and are blackmailing their customers... *SIGH*

If you want to talk about something which is going in circles, it is this bloody discussion... endless complaints and protests about renewal and re-purchasing of licenses... 

Sorry for the harsh and generalizing language. No-one mentioned, no-one forgotten.

Usually it's not my intention, but I'm just a little bewildered, that this constantly are being brought up. 

Sorry for disturbing the peace and serenity, which usually constitutes this forum.

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Because people don't realize that developers need to eat. Every day. Until they die. That's not possible if they sell their SW in 2000 and then work for free the rest of their life providing free updates.

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All I’m going to say is I understand upgrade costs, but what I don’t understand is why I buy a $140 single addon for V4 then have to pay yet again $140 for that same addon for V5. Going from FS9 to FSX there were A LOT of upgrade discounts for previous owners, not forcing those who already owned it to pay full price again. 

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2 hours ago, pvupilot said:

All I’m going to say is I understand upgrade costs, but what I don’t understand is why I buy a $140 single addon for V4 then have to pay yet again $140 for that same addon for V5. Going from FS9 to FSX there were A LOT of upgrade discounts for previous owners, not forcing those who already owned it to pay full price again. 

Not all devs have done that.

PMDG has provided free updates from the first P3D version they supported up till now, without having to pay for update.

In the scenery circle, FSDT has provided FSX users the same key to install in any version of  P3D they have supported for a certain airports.

Although some scenery designers are charging for version updates for P3D. Just depends on the developer, but they don’t all do it.

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Agreed with above. I fully support the ones who offer free upgrades. I’ve been super grateful for FSDT with how they’ve supported multiple versions.  

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I’m curious as to which developers charged for upgrading from p3d v2 to P3d v3?

 

Or is P3D v5 going to be that much of leap as going to a 64bit V4 from the 32bit V3? 

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How about that 767?

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2 hours ago, UAL4life said:

I’m curious as to which developers charged for upgrading from p3d v2 to P3d v3?

 

Or is P3D v5 going to be that much of leap as going to a 64bit V4 from the 32bit V3? 

Even if it is a massive jump, it will most likely be graphical.

Backwards compatibility should be much better going forward, just like it was between P3D v1, v2, v3

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Wonder if Level-D would team up with another developer to release their B767 for P3D4+.  This would be like Aeroplane Heaven teaming up with Feelthere to release the E-jets family.  Does anyone know if Level-D has been approached but simply refused?  

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I like flying Level-D 767 on my P3Dv3, but I am disappointed at the response of this company to customers' requests and questions about a future model. Anytime someone asks if there will be a 767 for v4 or a 757, there is the standard answer "there will be news when there will be news" or so. While I understand that a company does not want to disclose any close details, is it really too much asked to simply say whether something new is planned to customers that have been supporting an airliner that dates back to Wilco's 767 PIC from 2001?

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19 minutes ago, Afterburner said:

I like flying Level-D 767 on my P3Dv3, but I am disappointed at the response of this company to customers' requests and questions about a future model. Anytime someone asks if there will be a 767 for v4 or a 757, there is the standard answer "there will be news when there will be news" or so. While I understand that a company does not want to disclose any close details, is it really too much asked to simply say whether something new is planned to customers that have been supporting an airliner that dates back to Wilco's 767 PIC from 2001?

IMHO they lost what little credibility and reputation they had left when they went to FSCon nearly 2 years ago and said the new 757 was 80% complete and in beta. It's hilarious to me that they've been so disciplined about not talking to the community, but when they finally did have something to say, they completely botched it.

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I was surprised that the crowd didn't react with laughter and overripe produce. LevelD has crossed into trolling its fans for more than a decade by insisting that the 757 and 767 are coming. The most recent post on their forums was a really oddball statement that for some reason alluded to the fact that it originated as a freeware project, somehow as a justification for the rebuttal of all inquiries responding to the aforementioned trolling. 

It's a shame that the 75/67 projects have become the Sasquatch of flight simming; occasionally spotted but never any concrete evidence of their existence.

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