This topic is rapidly bordering on ridiculous. We have members already complaining about what we won't get, everything is going to be roped and tied by Microsoft, I'm not joining  if I can't have my addons etc.... 

Let's get off the negative comments about something none of have any clues about. 

The topic does prove one thing I think...

There is a LOT of interest some new developments new in the FS space. 

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by irrics

4 hours ago, Fedmediate said:

Well all ye faithful can indulge in the hope that Microsoft has learned its lesson from the spectacular failure of FLIGHT which was an arcade point and fly game with no simulation whatsoever. Having had the football pulled up by Lucy (Microsoft) this Charlie Brown declines to make another run at the ball. The trailer did not display any controls being used, no instruments working and no panels. Why? Could it be that they do not exist? Then we have it to be used by an Xbox control. Throttle, trim, flaps? I will believe it when I see it. Until then I am not counting on it being a flyable simulator. Once burned, twice wary.

This post is pretty much 100% nonsense.

You don't want to wait and see on the project? Cool, see you later and no hard feelings (seriously). But don't spread deliberate, false misinformation.

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by bonchie

The quote above is exactly what I'm referring to. It is condemning a trailer that is obviously not intended to cover all that the new sim will be. It's the first teaser for goodness sake. There is nothing to complain about period. 

Let's look at the bright side we stand to get a new sim from the most experienced sim provider in the history of our hobby.

Take this and chat about it. 

 

4 hours ago, 188AHC said:

The quote above is exactly what I'm referring to. It is condemning a trailer that is obviously not intended to cover all that the new sim will be. It's the first teaser for goodness sake. There is nothing to complain about period. 

 

Any chance we could get a sticky "Here's what we actually know" thread? Something to point people to for confirmed features so it doesn't continually get lost in stupid arguments in this thread?

 

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by bonchie

The pinned topic is made and Bonchie will be putting the relevant info into it.

 

I'd like to see:

- Integration with Flight Radar 24 for AI traffic (for those not flying VATSIM / IVAO)

- Aircraft physics and flight models verified by real word pilots (remember the FSX default 747).

Dave

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by Guest
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6 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

So you want one giant company that controls everything FS related?  No competition, no incentives, and hope they provide what you want at the price you want, and when you want it?

You're reading into his comment, perhaps incorrectly, I can't say since it's someone else.

What I'd like to see is an official MSFS "Store", as one option, for 3rd party add-ons.

To your point about competition, I'd love to have third parties competing right in that marketplace side by side and have the entire experience be native and polished and add-ons vetted for some baseline level of quality and functionality.

I'd still like to have sideloading be an option too, but for a large majority of add-ons we'd all benefit from them being at a minimum quality level, easy to discover, automatically updated and in a competitive space where the best can win customers.

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by irrics

8 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

So you want one giant company that controls everything FS related?  No competition, no incentives, and hope they provide what you want at the price you want, and when you want it?

I deal with more businesses and organizations every day of my life, and I’m grateful of it ... I enjoy freedom of choice.

Cheers, Rob

No, but I want a sim that doesn't make me spend $500 before it even looks and functions decently.

I also want a sim that isn't bloated, unstable, and pieced together with a dozen different ways of doing things because developers don't follow a congruent path.

I've got no problem with MS laying ground rules and managing a storefront. Since this won't be sold on Steam, the 30% middle man is gone and it will hopefully be more financially viable for developers to partner with MS where developers aren't having to give up 60% (or whatever it was with DTG) to sell stuff.

Some developers will scoff at any type of partnership, but they can always still sell for P3D.

 

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by bonchie

11 minutes ago, bonchie said:

No, but I want a sim that doesn't make me spend $500 before it even looks and functions decently.

I also want a sim that isn't bloated, unstable, and pieced together with a dozen different ways of doing things because developers don't follow a congruent path.

I've got no problem with MS laying ground rules and managing a storefront. Since this won't be sold on Steam, the 30% middle man is gone and it will hopefully be more financially viable for developers to partner with MS where developers aren't having to give up 60% (or whatever it was with DTG) to sell stuff.

Some developers will scoff at any type of partnership, but they can always still sell for P3D.

 

FYI Microsoft has officially stated that future games will be released through Windows Store and Steam.

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by Montie

4 minutes ago, Montie said:

FYI Microsoft has officially stated that future games will be released through Windows Store and Steam.

Can you confirm and vet this?  If so, it can be added to our pinned topic.

 

29 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

So you want one giant company that controls everything FS related?  No competition, no incentives, and hope they provide what you want at the price you want, and when you want it?

I deal with more businesses and organizations every day of my life, and I’m grateful of it ... I enjoy freedom of choice.

Cheers, Rob

There's also a an argument that Microsoft's time is better spent on the base platform, and perfecting that and how 3rd party stuff interacts with it

It's possibly not practical for them to produce a study level airliner, that quite clearly (as an example) requires a dedicated, specialized team.

Living near a big airport, I can see a similar effect. The airport owners make the aiport work as best as they can, and there is then a myriad of associated businesses and employment opportunities around the vicinity that specialize in everything the airport needs, but cannot supply itself.

But I'm also completely on the side of the consumer who wants good value and not to have to continually spend extortionate amounts to turn the sim into something acceptable.

I think there is a limited number of addon developers that will be affected by the improvements that we are all speculating are in FS2020 - global scenery, atmospheric/lighting, weather......airport and aircraft devs will almost certainly see a boost from a new MS sim platform

20 minutes ago, Montie said:

FYI Microsoft has officially stated that future games will be released through Windows Store and Steam.

Trailer claims it's an Xbox exclusive.

Not saying you are wrong, but I'm not sure you are right in this specific case.

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by bonchie

1 hour ago, TechguyMaxC said:

There's a reason this is called Flight SIMULATOR and not "Flight 2" or "Flight 2020".

You can be as skeptical as you want, the rest of us that paid attention in class will continue to believe the obvious truth.

I think it is called "Flight Simulator" to leave the title open. My guess is there will be something like... "Microsoft Flight Simulator (for) Xbox" and "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020" for the PC version. If memory serves right, even first screens for FSX were labeled Flight Simulator 2006.

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by reignman40

7 minutes ago, EGLD said:

I think there is a limited number of addon developers that will be affected by the improvements that we are all speculating are in FS2020 - global scenery, atmospheric/lighting, weather......airport and aircraft devs will almost certainly see a boost from a new MS sim platform

That's my main takeaway too.  If you're an add-on dev that has products that "fix" the core experience, you're likely in a bad spot.

But if you make detailed airport and aircraft scenery add-ons, I'd wager quite a bit there's a future for you here, and as you said, I think it's a far far more prosperous future than currently.

There's likely a huge untapped market of interest here from people who are just totally not interested in starting with older things like P3D or the blank slate of XP and having to "add-on" for hundreds of dollars to get to something great.  Those people might all be in play as new customers for airports and airplanes on this new platform.

 

...and...bring it to the new Xbox?  

Whoa - massive market potential that P3D and XP currently don't even participate in (since they can't).

Edited June 15, 20196 yr by irrics