1 minute ago, irrics said:

I just hope that they go beyond just "opening it up" to third parties.

I'd love to see them get great third parties involved to create region packs of higher detail for airports for instance.

  

No offense to OrbX, but there's got to be a way to get highly detailed airports and not have every.  single.  one of them.  be a separate $20-40 purchase.  That just isn't great, especially to a wider audience.

 

Then again, I'll admit that even though I'm a real world GA pilot, I don't really need the absolutely extreme detail some add-on airports go to (like interior terminal modeling) either.

The only way to have good airports for free is using the community help, just like the X-Plane gateway (which is amazing).

Just now, ca_metal said:

The only way to have good airports for free is using the community help, just like the X-Plane gateway (which is amazing).

Nowhere did I say free - I don't even want free - I'm tired of my life going by while waiting and waiting.

I wan't complete offerings and I'm willing to pay for them.

I mean this shot showing the view in the distance of Kirkland/Bellevue Eastside is very close to the view you get approaching the 16 runways into KSEA as a passenger on a mid-morning arrival (try to ignore the plane in the foreground obviously).

 

It looks spectacular - this has all the right look and feel.  (click to see it much bigger)

 

The water should be highlighted in particular.  That's such a major weak point in X-Plane still.

 

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Just now, irrics said:

Nowhere did I say free - I don't even want free - I'm tired of my life going by while waiting and waiting.

 I wan't complete offerings and I'm willing to pay for them.

I don't see what do you mean. Do you want something covering multiple detailed airports for a good price, is that it?

15 minutes ago, irrics said:

I'd love to see them get great third parties involved to create region packs of higher detail for airports for instance.

@ca_metal

Yes, when I said the above I meant "paid" - sorry - I should have been more clear.

Edited June 10, 20196 yr by irrics

3 hours ago, adi518 said:

far as performance goes, I'm sure if Aerofly figured it out, then so have Microsoft. 

Aerofly hasn't figured anything out with regard to performance unless you count leaving out key features and add-ons.

It should be pointed out that with all the excitement and hopes for this new product we need to think about it a little more. Many have commented on all the great features and graphics they believe will come with this release. Like you all I have not seen the first frame of it and so I have no earthly idea what it may look like or do for us. What I do know is this. With all the great weather, tons of photo scenery, a new ATC, and detailed models that you all seem to expect and even if they can produce this stuff then I think it would choke my computer system down to it's knees and it is not junk. But just for the fun of it lets assume that Bill Gates boys went up to a mountain top and got a stone engraved with a whole bunch of new code. Now we will assume that that new code will make my computer spit the new sim at oh 30 FPS and pretty smooth. That is all good to this point. Now comes the problem of compressing this ton of data down to something that will run on Xbox. That ain't gonna happen Bubba. Yea don't give my that new Xbox jive because it will not be as powerful as our Desk tops...end of story. I don't care how pretty the trailer is. Many of you are going to be disappointed big time.

33 minutes ago, irrics said:

The water should be highlighted in particular.  That's such a major weak point in X-Plane still.

Should also highlight that atmospheric haze on the horizon.  That looks about right!

1 minute ago, shivers9 said:

Now we will assume that that new code will make my computer spit the new sim at oh 30 FPS and pretty smooth. That is all good to this point. Now comes the problem of compressing this ton of data down to something that will run on Xbox. That ain't gonna happen Bubba. Yea don't give my that new Xbox jive because it will not be as powerful as our Desk tops...end of story. I don't care how pretty the trailer is. Many of you are going to be disappointed big time.

I suggest paying some attention to the platform this is designed to run on (in addition to PC), the Xbox "Scarlett" that won't even be on sale until Holiday Season 2020, a year and a half from now. They're not talking about current hardware, but what's coming. For gamers, they're promising 8k resolution (!!!), 120 frames per second, and a solid state disk drive.

The PC release of this flight sim will be a test bed to work out bugs before Scarlett is released. That platform should run everything you see in the trailer in at least 4k resolution at a "gamer acceptable" frame rate.

Microsoft is in a battle with Sony in the console market; that's where the big bucks are. The next Xbox will be a beast. Plan to upgrade your PC, unless you're already running a top of the line system.

1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said:

You really think that in 2020, MS will not monopolize the DLC for this game?

I'd give even odds either way. If MS decides to be really stupid, then they'll decide not to learn anything from Flight, and monopolize the DLC. If MS wants to have a "game" that's still selling copies 13 years after it comes out, then it'll do what it did in FSX and let other people develop for it.

The reason I give it even odds is because MS tends to go in cycles of brilliance followed by abject stupidity. Windows 95 was brilliant. Bob was... Not. FSX was brilliant. Firing the ACES group and walking away was stupid. Etc.

They've done some pretty stupid stuff with Win10, so maybe it's time for them to be brilliant again with the new FS. 😉

 

4 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

I suggest paying some attention to the platform this is designed to run on (in addition to PC), the Xbox "Scarlett" that won't even be on sale until Holiday Season 2020, a year and a half from now. They're not talking about current hardware, but what's coming. For gamers, they're promising 8k resolution (!!!), 120 frames per second, and a solid state disk drive.

The PC release of this flight sim will be a test bed to work out bugs before Scarlett is released. That platform should run everything you see in the trailer in at least 4k resolution at a "gamer acceptable" frame rate.

Microsoft is in a battle with Sony in the console market; that's where the big bucks are. The next Xbox will be a beast. Plan to upgrade your PC, unless you're already running a top of the line system.

So you want me to believe that the Xbox will be a better computer than desktops?? I am not going to have this argument. never mind. Sometimes trying to get people to think is like try to find a 2 piece bathing suite that looks cute on a 400 lb girlfriend.

2 minutes ago, eslader said:

I'd give even odds either way. If MS decides to be really stupid, then they'll decide not to learn anything from Flight, and monopolize the DLC. If MS wants to have a "game" that's still selling copies 13 years after it comes out, then it'll do what it did in FSX and let other people develop for it.

The reason I give it even odds is because MS tends to go in cycles of brilliance followed by abject stupidity. Windows 95 was brilliant. Bob was... Not. FSX was brilliant. Firing the ACES group and walking away was stupid. Etc.

They've done some pretty stupid stuff with Win10, so maybe it's time for them to be brilliant again with the new FS. 😉

 

LOL, you could be right. based on your MS "tick-tock" logic. Unfortunately, the whole video game market is vastly different than it was when Flight was created. The PC is an afterthought behind smartphones and consoles. And money is made now by constantly updating games with no versions and  DLC and no developer is going to create an open architecture game that allows 3rd parties to encroach on that cash cow. MS isn't stupid, but it is big and sometimes big organizations make dumb decisions. I'm not sure whether we should hope for 3rd party add-ons or not. I'd be happy with just an XBox version with great VR and Bing online orthoimagery.

3 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

So you want me to believe that the Xbox will be a better computer than desktops?? I am not going to have this argument. never mind. Sometimes trying to get people to think is like try to find a 2 piece bathing suite that looks cute on a 400 lb girlfriend.

I didn't say that, because what you're calling "Xbox" is six year old technology, released back in 2013. It's not what this new flight sim is designed for. It probably won't run at all on the current Xbox One.

Here's what it's designed to run on, in addition to PC's (from Wikipedia, based on the just-released news from E3):
 

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During its E3 2019 press conference, Microsoft announced that "Project Scarlett" was under development for a late-2020 release, describing a high-end console featuring AMD's "Zen 2" CPU architecture and Radeon "RDNA" graphics architecture, a custom-designed solid state drive, GDDR6 SDRAM, and support for real-time ray-tracing, up to 120 frames per second rendering, and 8K resolution. Microsoft stated that "Scarlett" would be four times as powerful as Xbox One X. 

You're going to have to re-calibrate your expectations about consoles. Not now, but when this thing is released in a year and a half. And I'm sure a high end PC -- built with state of the art components in November 2020 -- will still beat it! No argument there, because PC's always get ahead. But this isn't the old Xbox we're talking about. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

Now comes the problem of compressing this ton of data down to something that will run on Xbox. That ain't gonna happen Bubba. Yea don't give my that new Xbox jive because it will not be as powerful as our Desk tops...end of story. I don't care how pretty the trailer is. Many of you are going to be disappointed big time.

http://www.outerra.com/wgallery.html

See the link.  It's not exactly a new technology in terms of streaming global data.  You can more or less do it in Google Earth without much of a system already.  You don't need to "compress the data" down.  The world of P3D and Xplane where you load everything on an SSD it well, frankly, early 2000's.  A global simulator attempting to perfect global data and create a 3d world isn't that crazy in 2019.  Google, Apple, and MS have been doing this for years and it should probably say something to you in terms of value when the three largest tech companies in the world have all heavily invested in a "global simulation" of sorts.  Seems MS is taking a stab at this type of streaming and bringing it into a flight sim.  A type of synergy that makes sense for a lot of reasons.  Granted, to your point, we will probably be disappointed for a whole host of reasons when this gets released, but in terms of global scenery being modernized and accessible? Well, that's already been done and being done, so I doubt that will be the sims weakness.  San Fran, Houston, Chicago, and the US are probably the best of the best;  how landing in dense Congo jungle village looks will be interesting.

Seasons are another good question.  Landing in snowy Chicago would have been a heck of a screenshot or video but that was nowhere to be seen.

2 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

"google" earth like in how objects are generated.  The video was made with "quick" clips not allowing for too much time let a scene sink in so I made some freeze frames showing some of the issues:

 

 

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I noticed these 3D geometry bugs yesterday.  Sometimes fantasy is better than reality!