The reason I do not at all mind flying on particular airliners identical to those that have crashed, nor worried to fly right after a major tragedy, e.g. terrorist incident is that I am emotionally wired like Bill Gates.

 

8 hours ago, BillW said:

 In my opinion no regional jet is comfortable.

Have you been on a C-Series yet? That one is a redesigned interior

UPS will be putting an order in soon. We shall see if it goes Boeing with more 74-8’ and 76’s or Airbus A330’s. These are to replace the MD-11’s that will be phased out in 6 years. 

12 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

Have you been on a C-Series yet? That one is a redesigned interior

Haven't been on one yet. I think a more comfortable airplane but still economical would grab the market. I'll look them up .

 

Bill W

On 8/1/2019 at 11:20 AM, rjfry said:

I don't think 900 is just a few.

youre wrong mate, ill guess you dont know how holding pools work at BA.  Trust me easyjet and ryanair is a mere stepping stone for BA/EK/VS and Jet2 

Trust me I know.  When I was at  easyjet a few years ago we lost 200+ f/o's in one year alone to the BA holding pool, about 20 to Virgin and about 10 to Emirates.  Sure we ended taking a load from Monarch and got back a load from Virgin as they didnt have enough training cabailities for the l3 cadets on the 330 but the rate was still higher for leavers then joiners. 

I hear the same pilots names over the phone and being discussed by the crewing girls in virgin now that I did 5+ years ago at easy.  Its a very small world.

On another note about boeing execs and job losses , Tesco for example (a large sumermarket chain in the UK) yesterday axed 4500 jobs.  There was the normal debates as to should a cheif exec on a wacking great salary and bonuses get the boot or the 4500 little people working on the shop floor.

My arguement is it should be a cheif exec,  they made the bad business decesions and that's what they get paid the big bucks to do, and they did it wrong, so they should get sacked. Simple.

The other arguement is its cheaper and better for the company to loose 4500 front line workers.  This is what the shareholders will say,  they couldnt give a toss about the little people, the shop worker.  They want to recieve as much dividends as possible.

If you do the maths   x1 executive is worth 1 million in salary and bonuses. say 500k a year + 500k bonus.  (Thats a pittence to what airline ceos get. but lets use that as an example)

4500 people x £20,000 (basic yearly salary)  thats 90,000,000

Is it wrong, most definatley , but thats the way the city sees it,  and the city couldnt give less of a fig about front line workers.

It will be the same with Boeing, it will be the front line workers.

It will be the same with the BA strikes,  it will be the pilots collegues.  Their collegues in the office, and their collegues on the check in desks and ticket desks.  It wont be the execs on mega bonuses and BA will still make the same profits every year, they will just cut and trim the fat in other places.  

I currently work with about 10 ex staff from Monarch, BMI, Astreaus, and XL airways.  All of them, every single one of them will tell you the 3 reasons they went under was because of

a.Bad management decesions with aircraft utilisation and timetable scheduling  

b.Balpa the pilots union which made life impossible for the staff to roster duties properly and proactively and productivly 

c. Middle Managers not being able to make timely decesions using common sense on disruption days.

But like i said it wont be managers or pilots   losing jobs, it will be the little people.    You speak to my 10 collegues that got nothing, absolutly nothing when their previous employeers went under,  all the execs came off just fine.

When i was cabin crew I would of been all for the BA strike, id would of shown some "soldarity" with them.  Alas after working for 10+ years in the office dealing with their tantrums and stupidness I really hope Willy Walsh really screws the stikers hard.  

 

   

 

Edited August 6, 20196 yr by fluffyflops

I’m confused by your math equivalence. If the layoffs are worth $90,000,000, isn’t that a whole lot more cost savings than a $1,000,000 ceo. I agree that the ceo should be punished or fired, but wouldn’t they have to fill that position with somebody else anyways at a comparable salary? So there really isn’t any cost advantage there unless you leave position unfilled or at least find somebody that proves to actually be more competent at the helm.

Edited August 6, 20196 yr by KevinAu

Thats what im saying kevin the City prefers the 4500 redudent staff.  the city is relentless like that. 

On 8/2/2019 at 11:13 AM, BillW said:

I have yet to see an Embraer plane that was "comfy". I don't know how Jet Blue configures their's, but in Southwest there is plenty of room.

Not if your 6’4”. I fly every week. I’m on SW today. Use to be A list preferred until the service levels diminished and I could get first class on other airlines for the price of a SW ticket on multiple routes.  Here’s the problem with Southwest aircraft. They bought a variety of used 737-700’s from multiple airlines around the planet in 2016. They advertise the best seat pitch in the industry. These aircraft are configured a little different. If had flight where I have some room and I have flights where my knees are jammed into the seat in front of me. I sit in the same seat mostly on SW flights. 7 rows back, aisle on left side. I’ve experienced multiple times less room on multiple SW aircraft. I just landed in BWI waiting for my connection. SW just isn’t the airline it use to be. 

 

2 hours ago, Camsdad13 said:

Not if your 6’4”. I fly every week. I’m on SW today. Use to be A list preferred until the service levels diminished and I could get first class on other airlines for the price of a SW ticket on multiple routes.  Here’s the problem with Southwest aircraft. They bought a variety of used 737-700’s from multiple airlines around the planet in 2016. They advertise the best seat pitch in the industry. These aircraft are configured a little different. If had flight where I have some room and I have flights where my knees are jammed into the seat in front of me. I sit in the same seat mostly on SW flights. 7 rows back, aisle on left side. I’ve experienced multiple times less room on multiple SW aircraft. I just landed in BWI waiting for my connection. SW just isn’t the airline it use to be. 

 

First Class??????????? Come on. Please list these flights.

Bill W

2 hours ago, BillW said:

First Class??????????? Come on. Please list these flights.

Bill W

Not all carriers give first/business class with domestic/regional aircraft like 737s and ERJs. Most of the time they do single class economy.

4 hours ago, Camsdad13 said:

Not if your 6’4”. I fly every week. I’m on SW today. They advertise the best seat pitch in the industry. I sit in the same seat mostly on SW flights. 7 rows back, aisle on left side. I’ve experienced multiple times less room on multiple SW aircraft. I just landed in BWI waiting for my connection. SW just isn’t the airline it use to be. 

 

Huh? How can they advertise that? Jetblue has long been acknowledged in the industry as having the most seat pitch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cntraveler.com/stories/2015-10-27/the-airlines-with-the-most-legroom-a-tall-travelers-guide/amp

This is wandering farther away from topic.

54 minutes ago, JB3DG said:

Not all carriers give first/business class with domestic/regional aircraft like 737s and ERJs. Most of the time they do single class economy.

Which country are we talking about here. As far as the United States, the only 737 operators I can think of that does all economy are Southwest and Sun Country. United, Delta, and American all have 2-class configurations for their 737s.

2 hours ago, JB3DG said:

Not all carriers give first/business class with domestic/regional aircraft like 737s and ERJs. Most of the time they do single class economy.

Exactly. That's why I couldn't figure out what he meant about a first class ticket being cheaper than SWA. I understand that people have preferences in air carriers, but it doesn't mean that carrier  prices should be misrepresented.

Bill W

Edit...just re-read the discussion and realized I was only adding to the confusion. Ignore my previous comment.

Edited August 8, 20196 yr by JB3DG