12 hours ago, Nyxx said:

Really! how to show the world your IQ level.

My IQ is actually pretty high ( it was measured). Talking about IQ: Have fun with your malware. 

Just like FS Labs ignored rights to privacy and data security and not having malware and spyware on customer computers? I think it's right it's pointed out, it was egregious and it should not be allowed to be buried, newcomers should be made aware and we should never forget. Calling someone who made reference to it immature is to dismiss the importance of it.

Any firm that engages in such an unscrupulous practise could do so again, and their attitude was very much "sorry we got caught" rather than any genuine remorse, they just couldn't see what they'd done wrong, so it's only right potential customers should know what they could be exposed to. It's not like they've served their time for it or taken their punishment, they got off almost scot free!

Edited December 9, 20196 yr by ckyliu

1 hour ago, ckyliu said:

Just like FS Labs ignored rights to privacy and data security and not having malware and spyware on customer computers? I think it's right it's pointed out, it was egregious and it should not be allowed to be buried, newcomers should be made aware and we should never forget. Calling someone who made reference to it immature is to dismiss the importance of it.

Any firm that engages in such an unscrupulous practise could do so again, and their attitude was very much "sorry we got caught" rather than any genuine remorse, they just couldn't see what they'd done wrong, so it's only right potential customers should know what they could be exposed to. It's not like they've served their time for it or taken their punishment, they got off almost scot free!

Well that depends if you pirate your software ?, if you do then...reply like that. If you bought a legal copy you never got anything on your PC but I think its hard for people like yourself to grasp that very simple concept.

If you enter the code from the guy who had a web site advertising the FSL for free and costing FSl £xxxxx after 7 years work then yes you got caught, if you enter anything else even a wrong number you got nothing. Its that simple. The guy who was costing them there livelihood not only took down the site he took himself of the net. Would you like to work for 7 years and have someone stealing you hard work and selling it for free, and putting you house family in jeopardy? O and BTW who bought it to light?...the Pirates did..complaining there pirated software got them into trouble...O boo hoo.

But for all the dreamer queens it made great news and for the legit owner with a brain it was nothing. Because no one but the pirates got anything.

But you and others like keeping the dreamer going.  "newcomers should be made aware and we should never forget." never forget what? to never pirate software because you need also to make very clear a legit costumer got NOTHING AT ALL.

 

Edited December 9, 20196 yr by Nyxx

@Nyxx Nice way to start, tacitly implying I'm a pirate, followed up by I'm a dream queen with no brain! I see you're very much of the "ends justifying the means", so there's no reasoning with you, especially when you're just resorting to insults. The fact remains FSL lied; paying customers virus scanners were picking the malware up and FSL denied it all and told them to disable their protection. Whilst it was targeted at pirates, paying customers got caught up and in any event, loading spyware or other malicious code on to anyone's PC, pirate or not, is illegal, even if you don't actively use it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Edited December 9, 20196 yr by ckyliu

19 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

Nice way to start, tacitly accusing me of pirating! I see you're very much of the "ends justifying the means", so there's no reasoning with you. The fact remains FSL LIED; paying customers virus scanners were picking the malware up and FSL denied it all and told them to disable their protection. Whilst it was targeted at pirates, paying customers got caught up in it and in any event, loading spyware or other malicious code on to anyone's PC, pirate or not, is illegal. Two wrongs don't make a right.

But that's the point, it only installed if you entered the pirate code, so why do you not see genuine customers got NO MALICIOUS CODE nothing was installed, is that hard to grasp?

Anyway am just feeding the ill informed drama queens that like to give the drama queens side of things and leave out the most important facts NO legal owners got NOTHING INSTALLED AT ALL THAT WOULD HARM THEM. Why don't you point out that fact? Just better keep the drama and half truth going.

Not going to reply to anymore BS

Edited December 9, 20196 yr by Nyxx

5 hours ago, Nyxx said:

But that's the point, it only installed if you entered the pirate code, so why do you not see genuine customers got NO MALICIOUS CODE nothing was installed, is that hard to grasp?

Anyway am just feeding the ill informed drama queens that like to give the drama queens side of things and leave out the most important facts NO legal owners got NOTHING INSTALLED AT ALL THAT WOULD HARM THEM. Why don't you point out that fact? Just better keep the drama and half truth going.

Not going to reply to anymore BS

I do not know much about what ckyliu is referring to, but as to what you refer to, David, I must agree I have never had any kind of spyware, malware, etc  that triggered my AV as I purchased the FSL A3xx, both variants, a product that gives my hobby, immense pleasure flying.

This malware issue is ridiculous. 

Im willing to bet that NO ONE was affected adversely ( other than in your little minds) by FSL " malware" program. The program was simply placed in the software to catch a pirate scum thief. THIS HELPS US ALL. 

So knock it off...

2 hours ago, vc10man said:

I do not know much about what ckyliu is referring to, but as to what you refer to, David, I must agree I have never had any kind of spyware, malware, etc  that triggered my AV as I purchased the FSL A3xx, both variants, a product that gives my hobby, immense pleasure flying.

It's in reference to test.exe, a DRM measure installed as part of the FSL Airbus package. Some users' AV flagged it, in response to which FSL advised disabling AV during the install. 

As is evident it was a hugely polarizing issue, said component being a username & password harvester (independently verified several times) that activated if a user attempted to activate using a stolen serial number. Legitimate users were unaffected. One position is "no stolen software, no problem". The other position is concerned with a file that would publish users' sensitive data in a very low encryption format to an unprotected server at FSL. 

I'm in the latter camp, considering how all software works perfectly and mistakes never happen 😶. I wondered how FSL would fare legally if someone were able to demonstrate losses resulting from this practice (ie their financial info was stolen and used from the info uploaded to FSL's servers- use of a stolen serial wouldn't indemnify FSL in a scenario such as that). IMO an idea with the right intent was executed incorrectly but, seemingly, no tangible damage was done.

Regardless, in their response to the community's concerns FSL removed the applications from their installation packages. Combating theft of your products is a double edged sword at the best of times; this one went sideways for all involved, for a time at least. 

Edited December 9, 20196 yr by sddjd

21 hours ago, Nyxx said:

Well that depends if you pirate your software ?, if you do then...reply like that. If you bought a legal copy you never got anything on your PC but I think its hard for people like yourself to grasp that very simple concept.

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This is a terrible argument.  The real world equivalent is that the police can stop and search you, your car, or enter your house for a search without cause or a warrant, but its no problem unless you are a criminal and have something to hide.  What they did was absolutely wrong and simmers have a choice to make as to whether they will continue to purchase products from FSL.  Personally I have decided it was a mistake and they have made public apologies and corrections so I am comfortable to put their software on my computer.

Edited December 10, 20196 yr by MarkW

36 minutes ago, MarkW said:

This is a terrible argument.  The real world equivalent is that the police can stop and search you, your car, or enter your house for a search without cause or a warrant, but its no problem unless you are a criminal and have something to hide.  What they did was absolutely wrong and simmers have a choice to make as to whether they will continue to purchase products from FSL.  Personally I have decided it was a mistake and they have made public apologies and corrections so I am comfortable to put their software on my computer.

Sorry and this is the last time I reply, your analogy is wrong, to the point it is so completely wrong I am really surprised my you comments Mark.

The Police in this case are only stopping a car that is know to be stolon, reported to the police as stolen, no other drivers or cars or innocent people are stopped because there were never involved in the first place..

Think of it like this, you use and start you car every day. As always you're never stopped because its your car. What happened was a alarm went off because someone started your car by hot wiring it, they stole it, the police were informed. You would want the police to be inform if someone stole your car would you not? But until its stolen nothing at all ever happened. Not one person was question or asked any questions because there were innocent, no house searched nothing at all. The only person the police went for was the scum who stole your car. Now one else was involved at all. No one.

But ofc there free to steal it again now.

 

Edited December 10, 20196 yr by Nyxx

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

Sorry and this is the last time I reply, your analogy is wrong, to the point it is so completely wrong I am really surprised my you comments Mark.

The Police in this case are only stopping a car that is know to be stolon, reported to the police as stolen, no other drivers or cars or innocent people are stopped because there were never involved in the first place..

Think of it like this, you use and start you car every day. As always you're never stopped because its your car. What happened was a alarm went off because someone started your car by hot wiring it, they stole it, the police were informed. You would want the police to be inform if someone stole your car would you not? But until its stolen nothing at all ever happened. Not one person was question or asked any questions because there were innocent, no house searched nothing at all. The only person the police went for was the scum who stole your car. Now one else was involved at all. No one.

But ofc there free to steal it again now.

 

Actually this analogy doesn't work either. You imply that the police are only stopping a known stolen car/piece of software externally to your house/computer.

It is more like them installing cameras in everyone's house that only activate when you bring reported stolen property in there.

If you don't steal anything then you have nothing to hide right? But you are ok with the cameras being installed there right? Even though they promise they won't look at them unless you do?

The fact is that they installed some harvesting software on your computer without telling you that your data could be more at risk because of this.

By the way, I'm all for fslabs. My only complaint is that they are taking too long! I just don't like analogies like these because they always get out of hand and to make them accurate you end up with a ridiculous one like above...

 

This is way off track now. Hurry up with the 321 and more importantly hurry up with either 64bit concorde for p3d or annouce that we will get it for Microsoft Flight Simulator!

Chris

 

Edited December 10, 20196 yr by tutmeister

No because the cameras were never installed.

"The fact is that they installed some harvesting software" no they did NOT, it only installed if you enter the pirate codes it's really not hard to crasp. Please don't use the "Fact" when that's wrong totally wrong. I installed that version around 8 times because i had a FPS problem I ran every AV program out there I had nothing because the "Fact" nothing was ever installed. Because i did not steal it.

No harvesting software was ever installed unless you entered a pirate code so please don't make a statement like "The fact is that they installed some harvesting software" when it's totally wrong. 

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"By the way, I'm all for fslabs. My only complaint is that they are taking too long! I just don't like analogies like these because they always get out of hand and to make them accurate you end up with a ridiculous one like above..."

The wait seems even more painful now we know it will come for Christmas. 

Really looking forward to seeing their first PBR knowing there OCD it should be great, it's always seems there the last horse out the box but run straight to the front🙂. 

Edited December 10, 20196 yr by Nyxx

Are you saying that test.exe wasn't put on anyone's machine? That is the camera in the analogy. One that they promised wouldn't be used.

Can we please stick to enjoying the release and not this endless BS? The test.exe was in that install package as you know so why ask a silly question, you also know or I hope you know

A) It was never triggered / installed unless you entered a pirate code so it did no more than any file on your PC, no more than a JPEG sitting there.

B) It was auto deleted on entering a normal legal code.

C) was not ever triggered by entering a wrong number. 

So like I keep repeating unless you enter a pirate code nothing was installed on your PC and that is a fact.

Can we please move on.....

Really am sorry i said i would not reply to this any more and i did. No more. No matter what the bait is.

Edited December 10, 20196 yr by Nyxx

Unbelievable that some simmers still condone FSLabs' action here. Regardless if test.exe was activated or not, having a legitimate installer from a reputable developer placing malware files one costumer's computer is simply not acceptable!

With that being said, I have already given them a second-chance with my A319 purchase and plan on purchasing the A321 as well. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...so they say.

Edited December 10, 20196 yr by GCBraun