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Hi guys,

I am coming from i7-5820K OC to 4.5ghz with Quad DDR4 Memory.

It is time for me to start getting the parts for the next upgrade.  I am kinda confused with the new cpus from both camps.  Way too many options.  This time, I am even gonna go all high end as I need multiple M.2 Slots (each sim gets their own M.2 slot - I am aiming for 3 M.2 slots) - even if the motherboard has 2 M.2 (that is fine).  The AMD systems can do like 5 M.2 - omg.  I really want all these excellent features but which cpu helps these SIMS the most (this is why I hate legacy code in the sims - can never fully extract power properly)

Question is which path

i9-9900KS or AMD threadripper series - the only thing is that i9 clocks much higher than AMD threadripper

Which way to go?

What is disappointing is with DDR4 ram - the Intel systems for the above CPU mentioned have two way memory path and not quad path to fully maximize DDR4 - I am fine with it I guess.  I just want more Power!!! lol

 

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25 minutes ago, Skywolf said:

the only thing is that i9 clocks much higher than AMD threadripper

There's your answer right there.  P3D directly benefits from the fastest single-core performance you can manage for the all-important main thread.

M.2 is a form factor, not an electrical interface.  I think you're saying you want NVME (vs SATA) drives.  All NVME drives are M.2, but not all M.2 drives are NVME--there are also SATA III M.2 drives (and slots).

I think you'd be better off putting multiple sims on one or two larger SSDs than using separate discrete drives. 

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Intel is winning the OC race.

If your PC is primarily for games/sims, then go with 9900KS.  If you plan to do games/sims and some video editing or 3D rendering, then go with AMD.  

As far as M.2's ... the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Extreme supports 4X M.2's but it's not a cheap MB, but has very high quality VRM (best VRM available IMHO).  The good news is that M.2's are getting cheap, I picked up a couple of 2TB high speed ones for <$200 each.  

If you can wait, Intel's 10nm CPUs (6,8,10 core) are supposed to arrive early 2020 (so before April is my guess).

Cheers, Rob.

 

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Thanks @w6kd & @Rob_Ainscough

Yes, I need all my sims on NVME drives.  My current system has one M.2.  It really helps on P3D and X-plane load times.

I will look at that motherboard - thanks

Yep - I can easily wait till April - will need to see how Intel makes 10nm CPUs 

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If you use X-Plane at all, with the imminent up-date to Vulkan, you may well benefit with the higher thread count of AMD.

I use AMD now before the up-date and I'm more than a happy chappy! 

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13 minutes ago, Skywolf said:

Yes, I need all my sims on NVME drives.

NVMe is definitely a good option, but I've found no difference in performance and/or load times using 9900K on any SSD/M.2/RAM Cache that can sustain 400MB/sec or higher.  Maybe that will change when CPU's and memory sub-systems get faster.  Also tested using a 10Gbps network going to a NAS and found no difference ... as 10Gbps networks are now becoming more mainstream in the home front, I think storage will ultimately move away from local to remote (be in WAN, LAN or something else).

Food for thought, get ready for 1-2 PT of global terrain data in a home in the near future ... but definitely wait for the Intel 10nm to see how it performs.

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

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Food for thought, get ready for 1-2 PT of global terrain data in a home in the near future ... but definitely wait for the Intel 10nm to see how it performs.

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

Rob -- is this a hint about FS2020? :)


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No, but terrain is terrain, all sims can operate on 1-2PT terrain data ... MSE, OrthoXP, Orbx, MFS, etc. one can easily hit those storage numbers.  Google, GIBS, USGS, and others is very high res.  MSE, and my own terrain is the highest res terrain quality I have.

Tricky part is buildings and vegetation, color correction, removing shadows, aircraft, vehicles, etc.

Cheers, Rob

EDIT: what I’ve noticed with P3D, the number of scenery entries no longer seems to matter other than initial load time, no need to deactivate.

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1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

NVMe is definitely a good option, but I've found no difference in performance and/or load times using 9900K on any SSD/M.2/RAM Cache that can sustain 400MB/sec or higher.  Maybe that will change when CPU's and memory sub-systems get faster. 

Ditto on that.  Beyond a point, I think P3D is limited instead by the speed at which it processes the reams of data accessed during startup (e.g. fusion of mesh/textures/vector data) and not by storage throughput, and my experience supports the theory that currently a decent SATA III SSD can exceed that threshold handily.

 


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20 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

If you can wait, Intel's 10nm CPUs (6,8,10 core) are supposed to arrive early 2020 (so before April is my guess).

@Rob_Ainscough

Thanks for the info. I thought Intel 10nm would not arrive that early. Can you link some info where I could read up more on that subject. 


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4 hours ago, oemlegoem said:

Can you link some info where I could read up more on that subject.

This is one reference (dated Nov 2019):

https://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-desktop-cpus-arriving-early-2020/

I think AMD have forced Intel to change their plans a little.  About all that is certain is there will be a "Lake" involved 🙂

Cheers, Rob.

EDIT: we also have nVidia Ampere GPUs due out before April

EDIT: oh, and DDR5 motherboards this year (DDR5 6000Mhz)

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We could see the 400 series chipset this year at the E3 show possibly Z490 MB. 


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22 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

This is one reference (dated Nov 2019):

https://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-desktop-cpus-arriving-early-2020/

I think AMD have forced Intel to change their plans a little.  About all that is certain is there will be a "Lake" involved 🙂

Cheers, Rob.

EDIT: we also have nVidia Ampere GPUs due out before April

EDIT: oh, and DDR5 motherboards this year (DDR5 6000Mhz)

Let's just pray that the "Lake" part doesn't change to "Net" anytime soon :unsure:


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