Whichever one you get (I recommend the FSL) a good starting place to learn is Chuck's Guides for the A320.  You can google it.  

3 hours ago, Nyxx said:

the FSL, its nothing to do with failures its the immersion level is on a different level to anything else let alone the AS Bus. 

This cannot be stressed enough.

So often we can read that the difference is that FSL simulates failures and the AS does not. The FSL is so much more than failures. It is all the little details the AS does not have. And if something unexpected happens in the FSL Bus you can be sure that it is something that happens in the real thing too - whereas in the AS you always wonder if this is something that has not been fully implemented. Finally the sound environment alone makes a world of difference. It's like comparing the sound of a synthesizer to a symphonic orchestra. 

Don't get me wrong, the AS Bus is a decent aircraft for its price and if the OP only intends to fly it once in a while it will be enough for him. I enjoy their A330 as well (as long as there is no FSL A330...).

 

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

In your dreams.

Bravo,David,well said

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

Or like many who have never flown the FSL kid themselves

Spot-on,David. Again well said.

'Professional', eh, what like the recently-released A330?🤣

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

as the FSL one is quite complex, and rather poorly documented.  The learning curve for the addon itself is considerably steeper than the Aerosoft version. 

Been scratching my head about that one. In which regard is FSL poorly documented ? You get an Introduction guide, an extensive tutorial flight, the normal procedures, should be Ok to get a Newbie started.

Complexity : More expensive = more complex = more difficult ? That seems to be historical common saying for a DC-8 or 747-200 simulation. But not applicable for an A320. The steps to setup a routine flight from A to B are similar in both.

For an A320 the cheaper one can be the more difficult one. The A320 struggles during some of the procedures. The TOD calculation is quite often way off. Then the MCDU comes up with error messages or you and up too high. What do you do then in the cheaper Airbus. You can get more confused as a Newbie then in the FSL which just flies the procedures.

39 minutes ago, mikealpha said:

Complexity : More expensive = more complex = more difficult ? That seems to be historical common saying for a DC-8 or 747-200 simulation. But not applicable for an A320. The steps to setup a routine flight from A to B are similar in both.

 

I totally agree. And with the cheaper one you can never be sure if you just encountered a feature which is not fully implemented. 

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by RALF9636

1 hour ago, mikealpha said:

The TOD calculation is quite often way off. Then the MCDU comes up with error messages or you and up too high. What do you do then in the cheaper Airbus. You can get more confused as a Newbie then in the FSL which just flies the procedures.

Ah, I have no earthly idea what you're talking about here.  I seriously doubt there are too many people in flight sim that have more time with the Aerosoft Airbus, and I don't see any (as in not one) issue like you wrote about.  In fact, while we are planning some updates to the A318/A318/A320/A321 and they are flying extremely well and systems modeling is doing exceptionally well too (with more to come).

With the Aerosoft Airbus you can get 7 different aircraft for half the price of the other Airbus (goes down roughly to 25% of the cost if you add the cost of their A319), Connected Flight Deck is just about ready to come out of Public Alpha for a very quick Public Beta and then full release which provides the ability to share the aircraft with someone else and this allows someone to help you learn the Airbus while actually flying it.... no faster way to learn! Plus it's just loads of fun. 

Regarding our A330, when bashing it people love to intentionally skip telling people that our initial release was Early Access and that since then the A330 has surpassed our A320 Series and we are now back fitting these and updates to our smaller buses (this is a very familiar process to those in software development).

I have no problem with those who prefer the other Airbus, it's a great product except for maybe the frame rate issue, but it's the cost that stopped me dead in my tracks.  For those who can afford or don't mind paying that price, it's a GREAT aircraft.

There is another alternative, and that is going Boeing (Captain Sim is an inexpensive product), the MaddogX (MD-80), or even with an ERJ.  I wouldn't lock yourself into one type of aircraft unless you have a reason to do so.  The Captain Sim Boeings are not as complex as the PMDG, and for me iFly is kind of in the middle.  The Maddogx can be challenging for those who are new to airliners.

 

Best wishes!

 

 

Best wishes!

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by DaveCT2003

1 hour ago, RALF9636 said:

And if something unexpected happens in the FSL Bus you can be sure that it is something that happens in the real thing too - whereas in the AS you always wonder if this is something that has not been fully implemented. 

Having flown the A319/320/321 for a few years IRL this comment is rather funny, since the real Airbus tends to behave more like the AS than the FSL one.

More than once I came across previously unknown and unrepeatable problems. There are even certain failure combinations in a 'real' A320 sim which are known to produce different and unpredicatable behavior each time you trigger them.

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by FDEdev

16 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

Having flown the A319/320/321 for a few years IRL this comment is rather funny, since the real Airbus tends to behave more like the AS than the FSL one.

More than once I came across previously unknown and unrepeatable problems. There are even certain failure combinations in a 'real' A320 sim which are known to produce different and unpredicatable behavior each time you trigger them.

So FSL definitely should have implemented some bugs (not just on the windshield) for more realism... 🙂

 

The AS 330 as someone above points out it was released with a warning of what your  buying, call it a beta if you wish. I even linked it from the start of the release topic.

From everything I have read it sounds like a good improvement of the A318-A321, hence why there working it back into them . Great but bare in mind the A330 is classed  as early excess/beta, so just what does that mean the current state of the A318-A321 is classed as?

To say the AS behaviour is more like the real thing because of the odd things it does has to be the biggest joke I have read, programming something that throws you odd behaviour and imply that...... nvm.

Captain Sim 757 is with all its addons adds up to more than PMDG. If anyone want a Boeing get PMDG.

If you like old get the amazing MadDog, if you want prop get the Q400, if you want a GA get A2A.

At the end of the day, AS will default back to their Bus,s are design for different simmers and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don’t like AS v FSL topics because there in total different leagues and targeted at different people so each to there own and own needs.

For the 3rd time for what the OP said I think the AS is for him and I truly hope he enjoys it.

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by Nyxx

1 hour ago, DaveCT2003 said:

The Captain Sim Boeings are as complex as the PMDG, and in the middle is iFly. 

Wrong.  iFly just as complex as PMDG.  I don't know why people keep perpetrating this myth.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/547479-i-fly-747-8-just-released/?do=findComment&comment=3948757

 

4 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

Wrong.  iFly just as complex as PMDG.  I don't know why people keep perpetrating this myth.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/547479-i-fly-747-8-just-released/?do=findComment&comment=3948757

 

Yeah, you're right, I meant to say Captain Sim is NOT as complex... I edited and corrected that.  Regarding iFly, I'm a fan!  I just think PMDG is a little better,  but just my opinion.

 

1 hour ago, DaveCT2003 said:

Ah, I have no earthly idea what you're talking about here.  I seriously doubt there are too many people in flight sim that have more time with the Aerosoft Airbus, and I don't see any (as in not one) issue like you wrote about.  In fact, while we are planning some updates to the A318/A318/A320/A321 and they are flying extremely well and systems modeling is doing exceptionally well too (with more to come).

I must admit, my last flight in the Aerosoft Airbus was 1.5 years ago, has it been updated since then ?

That was a direct comparison flight Aerosoft-FSL simultaneously side by side with a Laptop and a Desktop. I remember my last thoughts regarding the Aerosoft Airbus was something like "I wouldn't want to be a passenger" in that plane.

However, I can't repeat it now. Lost the Aerosoft A320 download/info on a broken HD, and the flightsimstore is gone now.

Mike

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by mikealpha

10 minutes ago, mikealpha said:

I must admit, my last flight in the Aerosoft Airbus was 1.5 years ago, has it been updated since then ?

That was a direct comparison flight Aerosoft-FSL simultaneously side by side with a Laptop and a Desktop. I remember my last thoughts regarding the Aerosoft Airbus was something like "I wouldn't want to be a passenger" in that plane.

However, I can't repeat it now. Lost the Aerosoft A320 download/info on a broken HD, and the flightsimstore is gone now.

Mike

Hey Mike, it's been updated several times actually.

Do you still have your proof of purchase?  If so, PM me the purchase into and your personal info in the Aerosoft forums (I use the same username there as here) and I'll do my best to take care of this for you.

Best wishes my friend.

 

Edited January 20, 20206 yr by DaveCT2003

7 hours ago, dyl55 said:

Second tips, I have an ipad and I'd like to put the FMC on it

 

 

Sounds like the Aerosoft bus is for you. Get the A320/321 package if you want inexpensive but reasonable Airbus simulation, there's more variety between those than the A318/A319  package unless you plan to fly lots of steep approaches in the micro bus.

The Aerosoft birds all come with a little program that lets MCDU run on an external device. Double click to run it, send your second device's browser to the URL it shows and that's it, you're there.

7 hours ago, dyl55 said:

Second tips, I have an ipad and I'd like to put the FMC on it

 

 

Sounds like the Aerosoft bus is for you. Get the A320/321 package if you want inexpensive but reasonable Airbus simulation, there's more variety between those than the A318/A319  package unless you plan to fly lots of steep approaches in the micro bus.

The Aerosoft birds all come with a little program that lets MCDU run on an external device. Double click to run it, send your second device's browser to the URL it shows and that's it, you're there.