1 hour ago, PilotPete99 said:

This really is ridiculous. I just bought the NGX less than year ago. Now I am expected to buy this again if I want to use it in v5. These guys take whatever they can get. And I know I will get piled on by the folks who think PMDG can do know wrong but give me a break here. 
 

Cheers, Pete

than if  you  dont  want  to  buy it  again  than  why  go  to  v5  for  stick  with  v4,  anyways  might as well wait  for  awhile  till they  sort  out  the  issues   with  v5,  and  have  all the  devs  have  their  installers  ready  to go

8 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

than if  you  dont  want  to  buy it  again  than  why  go  to  v5  for  stick  with  v4,  anyways  might as well wait  for  awhile  till they  sort  out  the  issues   with  v5,  and  have  all the  devs  have  their  installers  ready  to go

Already bought v5 and I like the way it looks so far. I’ve several other aircraft that are scheduled to be updated and I just can’t stomach the idea of buying essentially the same plane again that I just bought in August. I know there are some differences but nothing that matters to me. And I agree that v4.5 still works great so if I desire to fly the 737 I will do so in version 4.5. I am really looking forward to the Aerosoft A330 in v5 which I find very enjoyable to fly.

Cheers, Pete

Edited April 24, 20206 yr by PilotPete99

You can't really blame PMDG for not wanting to upgrade the 737 NGX to Prepar3D v5. The NGXu is the latest version of the 737, and they will want to concentrate on that. I have not seen any comments from PMDG regarding licence issues with respect to the NGX and v5, so maybe it is OK to use it in that simulator if you can get it to work....

If I might play the part of DA here, I can see Pete's point and up to a point agree with it. I can remember reading an official statement from PMDG about 18 months ago about the mods needed in the NGX and saying that it would be a free update. However a lot has happened during that 18 months including something that none of us simmers were expecting, even in our wildest dreams! I am of course talking about the annoucement by MS and their paradigm changing FS2020. This has created one of the biggest re-tooling exercises this industry has ever seen, and, of course, PMDG want to be a part of that. Which is why I personally forgive them over changing direction. Regarding updates etc, PMDG did give a free update from v3 to v4, having said that the latest u rendition has had a lot more work invested into it than a simple upgrade. I suppose an anaolgy would be if you wanted to update your car to a newer model, even though that model was identical, would you also expect to pay for it? The answer of course is yes, you would.

8 hours ago, JamesIL said:

I have. Followed directions in another thread. Named v5 to v4 then installed and ran ops center then I renamed back to v5. Everything seems fine except weather radar.

I could not install. Where can I see the instructions?

35 minutes ago, BMW969 said:

I could not install. Where can I see the instructions?

Here is the link to instructions.  **Note that I have not tried this yet and I have no idea if this impacts your current PMDG installs in v4.  If it works in both and does not affect other products please let us know.

https://pirep.co/install-pmdg-products-to-prepar3d-v5/

10 hours ago, PilotPete99 said:

These guys take whatever they can get.

Welcome to the PMDG business model.

@PilotPete99 - why are you qouting yourself, in the name of another user ( @akabam ) ?! >LINK<

Unfortunately it’s the very few that tolerate the costs, pay the money, and well, leave the bigger crowd with no power.

If everybody stuck to there guns, and said that’s it, enough is enough, and literally nobody bought it, then, just maybe, PMDG might get the message...as in, 0 sales. Nada, 

Niente

....but no...there is always the small minority that just can’t resist 🤨🙄

and if your answer is “if they don’t sell anything they can’t make anything”

..well, we the users never put the price tag on it..they did.

I will give them credit, in what they do they extremely well..no doubts about it...but I feel this goes to there head, and the eye watering price reflects that.

If these prices didn’t exist in the sim market, I’m pretty sure FSLabs wouldn’t of been able to charged what they do, for the Airbus. You see the chain reaction... 

and again, the test.exe thing...kinda got swept under the carpet because of the minority chose to accept it. 
 

The NGX took how many years to develop?

The NGXu took how many months to develop?

...the ngxu is built from ground up, in a few months, but there’s no old code in there, nope, no old code at all 🤨 pull the other 1 it has bells on it..but there is, again, a nice shiny new price tag 💵 💵 

talk about take advantage of our interests 

but hey, flying and maintaining a real aircraft from way back in the day (DC-3) , ain’t cheap, and had to be paid somehow....

53 minutes ago, MaDDogz said:

Unfortunately it’s the very few that tolerate the costs, pay the money, and well, leave the bigger crowd with no power.

If everybody stuck to there guns, and said that’s it, enough is enough, and literally nobody bought it, then, just maybe, PMDG might get the message...as in, 0 sales. Nada, 

Niente

....but no...there is always the small minority that just can’t resist 🤨🙄

and if your answer is “if they don’t sell anything they can’t make anything”

..well, we the users never put the price tag on it..they did.

I will give them credit, in what they do they extremely well..no doubts about it...but I feel this goes to there head, and the eye watering price reflects that.

If these prices didn’t exist in the sim market, I’m pretty sure FSLabs wouldn’t of been able to charged what they do, for the Airbus. You see the chain reaction... 

and again, the test.exe thing...kinda got swept under the carpet because of the minority chose to accept it. 
 

The NGX took how many years to develop?

The NGXu took how many months to develop?

...the ngxu is built from ground up, in a few months, but there’s no old code in there, nope, no old code at all 🤨 pull the other 1 it has bells on it..but there is, again, a nice shiny new price tag 💵 💵 

talk about take advantage of our interests 

but hey, flying and maintaining a real aircraft from way back in the day (DC-3) , ain’t cheap, and had to be paid somehow....

No question PMDG has been the leader in driving prices of addons up over the years.  Many of you may remember that back in the day aircraft addons were under $40 and one day PMDG released the 737 (I think), maybe it was the Queen, for $69.99 and everyone lost their minds.  Today that is considered a bargain.  In my mind the key is for users to only buy what they will use.  We have all purchase addons that we fly once or twice and airports we visit once or twice and others we fly hundreds or thousands of time.  Be smart and this is not a very expensive hobby...especially when compared to others (can you say golf, cycling, or god forbid actual real flying.)

2 hours ago, MaDDogz said:

Unfortunately it’s the very few that tolerate the costs, pay the money, and well, leave the bigger crowd with no power.

If everybody stuck to there guns, and said that’s it, enough is enough, and literally nobody bought it, then, just maybe, PMDG might get the message...as in, 0 sales. Nada,

Why would someone stick to their...actually your...guns if they believe that the PMDG value proposition (price paid for value received) is a fair one?  Just because you might think it's overpriced relative to its value doesn't mean everyone else shares that view.  I think a lot of folks want PMDG to get a completely different message than the one you want to send; something along the lines of "we love what you're doing, please give us more!"  And it's certainly more than a "very few" that keep those guys going. 

If you can't or won't spend what PMDG gets for their work, there are lots of other cheaper options available to you.  If you can't or won't spend what a BMW costs, you can buy a Kia, where you'll pay less and get something different.  But you can't buy a BMW for the price of a Kia. 

As far as the NGX in P3Dv5...they haven't intentionally hobbled it in v5, but they've ceased development on it with v4.  I'd guess it probably works in v5 if you take a few minutes to port it over.  I've got a bunch of shooter games that I bought ~5 years ago which were designed for Win 7 and don't work on Windows 10.  I can still play them on an older PC with Win 7, and I certainly never expected them to be kept updated for a new OS five years later. 

4 hours ago, anden145 said:

@PilotPete99 - why are you qouting yourself, in the name of another user ( @akabam ) ?! >LINK<

Where? I am not seeing what you are referring to.

Cheers, Pete

3 hours ago, MaDDogz said:

The NGX took how many years to develop?

The NGXu took how many months to develop?

I just love how you dose out your own personal opinion as the god honest truth! You're basing your conlusions on things, you cannot possibly know anything about.

How do you know, how many 'months' the NGXu took to develop?! Besides the whole notion, that the NGXu took 'months' to develop, is just (in my opinion) an insult to PMDG, as it implies a short development time, hence they are taking more money for it, that what it's deserved. I have NO idea, how you can make such conclusions, as you have NO idea of the amount of work, which went into it... 

Sorry, but please act respectful and stop stating your own opinions as facts. If you think the NGXu is too expensive, just don't purchase it. It's that simple! 

Now, I may be alone here, but personally I think the PMDG product line is quite reasonably priced. The immense attention to detail and the whole fidelity and realism on such a complex airliner, modelled down to every detail... Personally I think it's wortth every penny.

15 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

Where? I am not seeing what you are referring to.

Cheers, Pete

Sorry! My mistake. Must have been a glitch in my browser... 

1 minute ago, anden145 said:

I just love how you dose out your own personal opinion as the god honest truth! You're basing your conlusions on things, you cannot possibly know anything about.

How do you know, how many 'months' the NGXu took to develop?! Besides the whole notion, that the NGXu took 'months' to develop, is just (in my opinion) an insult to PMDG, as it implies a short development time, hence they are taking more money for it, that what it's deserved. I have NO idea, how you can make such conclusions, as you have NO idea of the amount of work, which went into it... 

Sorry, but please act respectful and stop stating your own opinions as facts. If you think the NGXu is too expensive, just don't purchase it. It's that simple! 

Now, I may be alone here, but personally I think the PMDG product line is quite reasonably priced. The immense attention to detail and the whole fidelity and realism on such a complex airliner, modelled down to every detail... Personally I think it's wortth every penny.

Sorry! My mistake. Must have been a glitch in my browser... 

No worries.

Cheers, Pete

25 minutes ago, w6kd said:

Why would someone stick to their...actually your...guns if they believe that the PMDG value proposition (price paid for value received) is a fair one? 

fair point, but where does it stop? At $160? $190? $210? That’s where it’s gonna end up if we keep encouraging this.
 

 

Just because you might think it's overpriced relative to its value doesn't mean everyone else shares that view.
 

No, not everyone, but a hell a lot share my view...read other forums where absolute free speech is OK, and real feelings are shared without fear of a ban.

 

 

  I think a lot of folks want PMDG to get a completely different message than the one you want to send; something along the lines of "we love what you're doing, please give us more!"  And it's certainly more than a "very few" that keep those guys going. 
 

I gave them credit for the quality work they do, I don’t give them credit for not updating the NGX cockpit geometry as promised, but only to make it right for another model altogether, and drop the ngx from future updates...or any update at all..

If you can't or won't spend what PMDG gets for their work, there are lots of other cheaper options available to you.  If you can't or won't spend what a BMW costs, you can buy a Kia, where you'll pay less and get something different.  But you can't buy a BMW for the price of a Kia. 

I can, and have spent on the NGX, got stung, and have a bitter taste in my mouth now...yet other cheaper options were right, on release, or were made right shortly after....not months of nothing then dropped.

 

As far as the NGX in P3Dv5...they haven't intentionally hobbled it in v5, but they've ceased development on it with v4.  

Conveniently.