3 hours ago, Greazer said:

I have no brand loyalty to any company. I only call out what is facts. I have Alpha tested the other sim since the start. There are some pro's to XP. However the devs work at snail's pace in a small team. The technology of XP is now decades behind. What should be fixed immediately like cloud flickering or sudden weather redraws have been bugs for decades. It's disgraceful. Should have been fixed years ago.

A snails pace?  16 updates in about 2 months?  This is a snails pace to you? A brand new X-Plane version approximately every 3-5 years.  This is a snails pace?  A better, more efficient programming language, implemented by just 2 programmers in 2 years.  This is a snails pace?  

X-Plane technology is now decades behind???  Even Vulkan??  I had no idea these problems were so old!  What are Laminar thinking????  You're right.  These things should be done in a quarter of the time!  I want 16 updates in 2 weeks.  Not this 2 months garbage.  I want a new X-Plane version every YEAR!  I want Vulkan implemented in 3 months!!  What's this 2 years business??

Well, you've sold me.  I didn't know these problems existed in X-Plane for DECADES.  I'm switching to FS2020!  Much thanks Greazer!!

(You obviously didn't see the sarcasm in my post)

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by GoranM

10 hours ago, Greazer said:

I have no brand loyalty to any company. I only call out what is facts. I have Alpha tested the other sim since the start. There are some pro's to XP. However the devs work at snail's pace in a small team. The technology of XP is now decades behind. What should be fixed immediately like cloud flickering or sudden weather redraws have been bugs for decades. It's disgraceful. Should have been fixed years ago.

My favourite quotes

"obviously the balloons are not doing mach 4.0, which is another sign its not as good as FSX"

"the DLCs were not doing too well which caused this game to be dis con tin u-ed"

Do you know what he thought was better than XP11 - and I agree:

The scenery.

Plse explain why you think microsoft fixing (8 years later) what wasn't broken will result in a different outcome.

 

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by mSparks
correct balloon velocity

Well.. this thread has surely devolved way beyond its usefulness. Which is kind of sad because I think there's an interesting discussion to be had. Those people not seeing the potential in MSFS are really hard to take even remotely serious to be honest. So are the people calling XP just about the worst thing since the bubonic plague. The release of MSFS will not kill X-plane. However given time, I would place my bets on P3D shrinking. Since MSFS I've had a harder and harder time firing up P3D and have actually used XP instead (after a rather long-ish hiatus mostly due to lack of time) and XP is indeed impressive given the size of the dev team. It sure has come a long way, there is no denying that. Add to that freeware(!) such as the immensely impressive Zibo 738 and one has to conclude that XP is one of the big boys and probably isn't going anywhere. Not to mention the growing library of excellent payware for XP.

However. MSFS blew me away completely and buying the deluxe-ultra-plus-version was the nobrainer of the millenium to me. It owns the looks department. No denying that. Getting high fidelity planes into that world would be a quantum step forward. The default planes will probably not cut it, and those hoping for PMDG quality default planes will surely be disappointed.

After saying all that I would like to add that my favourite OS is, beyond any doubt, Linux. If it wasn't for my hobbyist photography and the fact that no software on Linux comes close to Capture One I would not use Windows. So I am no "word not allowed" or "Microshill" or any of the derogatory and childish terms some people like to use seemingly believing it to be some kind of argument.

Peace.

17 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

those hoping for PMDG quality default planes will surely be disappointed.

PMDG have said they are shifting their entire product lines to flight 2.0

pricing in line with current offerings.

Im 100% sure everyone using their XP11 products will switch when they eventually do.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by mSparks

@mSparks, you're clearly trying to inflame the situation with your last comment. Either retract it or provide evidence.

6 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@mSparks, you're clearly trying to inflame the situation with your last comment. Either retract it or provide evidence.

retract what? the pricing?

this:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/25608-07nov19-pmdg-product-trajectory-alignment-what-to-expect-in-the-coming-weeks-months-hours-etc

Quote

It won’t come as a surprise to learn that we are pivoting our entire development process in order to include this exciting new platform.

Pricing will be in line with existing product offerings.

Robert S. Randazzo 

 

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by mSparks

@mSparks, when in a hole it's best to stop digging. This comment "PMDG have said they are shifting their entire product lines to flight 2.0 "

You have 10 minutes to prove it or retract.

33 minutes ago, mSparks said:

PMDG have said they are shifting their entire product lines to flight 2.0

pricing in line with current offerings.

Im 100% sure everyone using their XP11 products will switch when they eventually do.

Great example of what I was talking about. I find it hard to understand how this childish behaviour keeps being tolerated. "Flight 2.0"?

@mSparks, there is no mention of Flight 2.0 in that article. Action now follows.

BTW: I Love MFS....

57 minutes ago, MFS-Only-till-uninstall said:

BTW: I Love MFS....

The uninstaller strikes again.

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

retract what? the pricing?

this:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/25608-07nov19-pmdg-product-trajectory-alignment-what-to-expect-in-the-coming-weeks-months-hours-etc

 

I have to agree, and read that article the same way. How could it be any clearer.

"Preparing for Microsoft Flight Simulator: It won’t come as a surprise to learn that we are pivoting our entire development process in order to include this exciting new platform. I’m not going to focus too much on this process for today’s announcement as we have a bunch of information to share on this topic at a future date- but suffice-to-say that most of what you will read below is a cascade effect of our strategic realignment to support this new platform. We do anticipate bringing the 737, 747, 777 and DC-6 product lines into Microsoft Flight Simulator and we will share more details on that in the near future.

1 hour ago, Muskoka said:

I have to agree, and read that article the same way. How could it be any clearer.

The poster quite deliberately - and for reasons known only to him - referred to Flight 2.0. There is no such simulator.

22 hours ago, akatham said:

Well, this  has degraded quickly into yet another 'My game about imaginary airplanes can beat up your game about imaginary airplanes - e-peen by proxy' thread.

A shame that it apparently cannot be kept constructive and mature...

What do you expect from an essentially pointless thread?

As the title of this subforum clearly states, its subject matter is X-Plane, not FS20.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by Bjoern

It would be refreshing if just once maturity would prevail and the adults in the room could discuss the merits of various sims in a constructive manner....I know it’ll never happen. And it obviously doesn’t belong in a specific sim’s sub-forum.

Of course it would be nice to discuss X-Plane again in a constructive manner without bloviation every other post. This neighborhood has certainly gone downhill. Shame.