2 minutes ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

Those are the Renoir APUs, which are still based on the Zen 2 architecture. The Ryzen APUs are a generation behind the consumer CPUs in the same series (Ryzen 3000 APUs were Zen+ for example). The consumer Zen 3 CPUs, codenamed Vermeer, are coming later in the year.

Interesting. I did a bit more research and found that these are just polished up versions of previous gen CPU's. 

So the newer CPU's will also be 4000 series but with Zen 3 architecture right?

Just now, FAZZ3 said:

Interesting. I did a bit more research and found that these are just polished up versions of previous gen CPU's. 

So the newer CPU's will also be 4000 series but with Zen 3 architecture right?

While you could say they are more polished, as Renoir has a few improvements over Matisse (mostly in power efficiency to improve laptop battery life), those CPUs feature an integrated GPU so this is a different market segment. The current generation has already been refreshed in a way with the Matisse 2 CPUs (those with the XT suffix), which feature optimised silicon but are not a significant upgrade overall.

The Ryzen 4000 CPUs coming later this year, without the G or GE suffix, will be Zen 3 indeed. You can also expect that Zen 3 APUs will be part of the Ryzen 5000 series.

I've looked a lot of benchmarks and it is clear to me that these Ryzen cpu's are extremely overrated.

I haven't found a single game where the ryzen performs better than intel cpu's yet.

And I remind you that, MSFS is a game. It's not a movie maker application or 3d animation thing. It is a game. I don't see any reason why it would be so different than other games so that the ryzen will perform better. I think it is much more likely, that just like other games the intel will perform better.

I agree though that Ryzens are better priced.

11 minutes ago, cepact said:

I've looked a lot of benchmarks and it is clear to me that these Ryzen cpu's are extremely overrated.

I haven't found a single game where the ryzen performs better than intel cpu's yet.

And I remind you that, MSFS is a game. It's not a movie maker application or 3d animation thing. It is a game. I don't see any reason why it would be so different than other games so that the ryzen will perform better. I think it is much more likely, that just like other games the intel will perform better.

I agree though that Ryzens are better priced.

Let me guess.... You have an Intel CPU ... ?

39 minutes ago, cepact said:

I've looked a lot of benchmarks and it is clear to me that these Ryzen cpu's are extremely overrated.

I haven't found a single game where the ryzen performs better than intel cpu's yet.

And I remind you that, MSFS is a game. It's not a movie maker application or 3d animation thing. It is a game. I don't see any reason why it would be so different than other games so that the ryzen will perform better. I think it is much more likely, that just like other games the intel will perform better.

I agree though that Ryzens are better priced.

 

Ah, yes. In games. You can surely get 140FPS in the latest twitch shooter with the overclocked Intel when you only get 135 with the AMD. But for those of us unimpressed with that and wanting multithreaded performance you calling AMD overrated is more than a little amusing to be honest. 

41 minutes ago, cepact said:

I've looked a lot of benchmarks and it is clear to me that these Ryzen cpu's are extremely overrated.

I haven't found a single game where the ryzen performs better than intel cpu's yet.

And I remind you that, MSFS is a game. It's not a movie maker application or 3d animation thing. It is a game. I don't see any reason why it would be so different than other games so that the ryzen will perform better. I think it is much more likely, that just like other games the intel will perform better.

I agree though that Ryzens are better priced.

I'm getting 45/50 (70+ in P3Dv5! Check the streams) FPS using my AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 4.2 32 gig ram, this is with an NVidia 1060 6 gig! Imagine what it will run like when the Nvidia 3000 series launches......................

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34 minutes ago, cepact said:

I've looked a lot of benchmarks and it is clear to me that these Ryzen cpu's are extremely overrated.

If you are just looking at game benchmarks then that's why. The higher single-threaded performance from Intel CPUs is only useful when you are playing at 1080p or below with a high refresh rate monitor. This is the only advantage Intel CPUs have, nothing more. Meanwhile current Ryzen CPUs are priced a lot more competitively, support PCIe 4.0, are a lot more energy-efficient, and are on a longer-lasting socket. The better stock coolers are a nice bonus too.

Compare the Ryzen 5 3600 with the Core i5-10400F, the closest price match. The AMD CPU loses only ~7% in gaming performance at 1080p, and if you do not have a 144Hz or 240Hz monitor, you will not see a difference. And in such a case you'll almost certainly be GPU-limited, unless you're playing an e-sports title at the lowest graphics settings for the absolute highest frame rate.

As for the new simulator, it is unlikely we will be looking at an application without proper multi-threading, with a heavy reliance on single-threaded performance typical of today's simulators. Everything we know so far points to a very GPU-limited application, so in this case the optimal CPU choice would be the one that offers the best value, energy efficiency and platform features.

upgraded to a 3900x from my 8yo i5 Ivy Lake earlier this year. It's a brilliant CPU, handles everything with ease.

Things have changed a little since, with the new chips from team blue - they are worth a look for sure now

Either way you cannot go wrong, but imo if AMD works out a little cheaper then use the money saved on a faster GPU.

 

Please do not post hardware topics in this forum.

By 188AHC, November 25, 2019

10 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Please do not post hardware topics in this forum.

By 188AHC, November 25, 2019

 

Oops. That is true. 😇

Here are the specs for the upcoming XBOX Series X: https://www.google.com/search?q=xbox+series+x+specs&oq=xbox+ser&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i60l2j0j69i57j69i60.6365j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Cheers

bs

Changing from an 8700K to this Ryzen 7 3700X was the best thing i ever did. Not only did i get a noticeable performance increase in P3D 4.5 back in the day, but it performs absolutely stellar in v5 now. Oh, and it drives MSFS like it was nothing, but that's probably with some help from the 1080Ti.

Intel is at the low end nowadays, and with the change of platform again in the horizon, a real bad choice.