3 hours ago, ckyliu said:

@crosswind I've always felt Majestic's pricing was very fair and I've done what I can to support the company. The Q400 remains my favourite P3D aircraft addon 😀 and my second favourite of all time for any platform

I hope Majestic will be able to get the Q400 in MFS20 relatively easily and quickly (got a bad feeling that is wishful thinking though) and I know the way you guys price it will hoover up the new MFS users! Is it more likely you'd stick with JSBSim or try and utilise the new MFS aerodynamics?

We thank you for your continued support but also your on going contribution  to the flight sim community. 

We too are  hoping to get back up on the FS2020 saddle as well. Primarily due to the fact that FSX development as we know it is dead moving forward and the new MSFS is a welcomed fit/comeback after a 14.15 year hiatus. 

Using the original development platform would be the preferential approach to keep the FDE in place to avoid a total rework of everything already in place.  Bearing in mind that the FSX turboprop modelling was atrocious. But it would be also great to see a new and improved modeling engine which I have heard from some of the MS presentations by Asobo on YouTube have been reworked to be much better on the upcoming platform. 

Still to early to speculate or provide some  any insight 

 

Cheers

Edited July 28, 20205 yr by crosswind

The turboprop modelling in FSX was indeed disastrous, it is notable both my favourite turboprops do their engine simulation completely outside of FSX!  One area of MFS I have heard very little about is engine and propeller modelling (yeah the constant speed props were pants too). And MS didn't even try to do geared turboprops (aka single shaft like Garrett). And piston engine behaviour wasn't all that great either, with carb icing on fuel injected engines(!) and no spark plug fouling. I'm going to stop now as this is turning in to rant!

 

Edited July 28, 20205 yr by ckyliu

It makes a lot of sense for MS to populate the marketplace soon after launch. And I’m tired of people bashing the default planes in the new sim without having flown them. The alpha leaks that I have seen have been VERY impressive, and MS has been working with the plane manufacturers for years now. I’m one of the ones who prefer XP to P3D because of the blade element flight model. Thus, I’m really looking forward to seeing the new physics in action. Asobo says that it removed the “artifact” from the flight modeling that makes FSX feel like it is on rails. Hopefully, this and the other physics changes makes for some nice default planes. 

18 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

Darn right!

 

Ditto!!!

1 hour ago, MarkSC said:

It makes a lot of sense for MS to populate the marketplace soon after launch. And I’m tired of people bashing the default planes in the new sim without having flown them. The alpha leaks that I have seen have been VERY impressive, and MS has been working with the plane manufacturers for years now. I’m one of the ones who prefer XP to P3D because of the blade element flight model. Thus, I’m really looking forward to seeing the new physics in action. Asobo says that it removed the “artifact” from the flight modeling that makes FSX feel like it is on rails. Hopefully, this and the other physics changes makes for some nice default planes. 

Not sure if we are reading the same thread, but I don't think you have read anything of disdane regarding the new platform.  Statements were made in relation to FSX.  Which are a fact 

5 hours ago, officercrockey said:

This is one of the silliest things I have read here. But then I am looking at the location and am not really surprised. 

I find it amusing how so many of you get offended about another person stating his opinion that some payware is overpriced.  Simply bizarre.

Would you please elaborate as to why you are not surprised at my "silly" comment based on my location?  Please, impart to us a bit of your vast and esteemed knowledge.

By the way, I'm not from Alabama, but it's a great place to live.

Dave

 

Edited July 28, 20205 yr by dave2013

I have not taken offense by any means.  We are all entitled to our opinions and are certainly free to state them.  It's always good to know how some folks feel regarding certain items as it can sometimes allow one to re-evaluate aspects of the discussion or business model. 

However, as a business where folks devote a considerable amount of time outside of their regular jobs/or even as their only job and or neglect family life to develop projects.  I think that pricing in most cases is fair, especially when you start getting into complex aircraft development.  Where there are several developers which have to be paid for their work and continued development and support. 

 

Cheers 

Have you tried getting your hands on the SDK? Microsoft has already released the (not final) SDK to developers who’ve contacted them and requested for the same. Might be a good idea to get your hands on it in advance so you have a better understanding of what development plans to undertake ahead of release. 

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

I find it amusing how so many of you get offended about another person stating his opinion that some payware is overpriced.

I don't think anyone was offended, and you are entitled to your opinion of course. What people are taking issue with is, is the somewhat bemusing basis for the opinion that it is overpriced. Consider the following:

The Majestic Dash 8 Q400 works in all versions of FSX and all versions of P3D, so there is no requirement to have multiple copies to make use of this if you have FSX and P3D and want to use it in either or both. It boasts more detailed features and simulation options than pretty much any other simulated aeroplane add-on you can get for FSX, P3D, XPlane or Aerofly FS2, this includes several  features which literally no other add-on aeroplane for any of those sims has ever featured. 

Yet even its most expensive full-featured version of the three version available, which is intended for professional training of flight engineers in the real world, is well under 100 quid in price. For anyone who does not need the engineering feature stuff in this top-tier version, there is essentially a fully-featured version which omits that, which comes in at less than 60 quid, and for those who can forgo some of the fancier whistle and bells in that version, there is even a version available for less than 40 quid. This low-cost variant still has very many features, yet it is approaching the pricing of a vastly inferior product, such as for example, a Carenado payware add-on.

So in what universe is there another comparable product available which is either cheaper or the same price as this?

There isn't one. Even products which come close to, but don't quite equal the Majestic Q400, are well over the 100 quid mark by at least another 30-40 quid. This is what people were referring to in being puzzled by the notion that it is 'overpriced'. To be overpriced, it would have to either be a lesser product trying to match the prices of better things without offering the same features, or be significantly more expensive than everything else. Neither of these is the case, quite the reverse is true in fact, with it offering many more features at a significantly lower price than anything else which comes close to matching it. This is the very definition of something which is a good bargain.

Of course whether it costs ten pence or a thousand quid, if you don't want to pay for something, that's your choice. Nothing wrong with not wanting to spend your money on something you don't want. But the notion that the MJC Q400 is overpriced, simply doesn't stack up to examination and is a truly bizarre opinion. You're entitled to that opinion, but it doesn't really make any sense.

 

Edited July 28, 20205 yr by Chock

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

I find it amusing how so many of you get offended about another person stating his opinion that some payware is overpriced.  Simply bizarre.

 

 

Offended ? Nope. I just think that you are plain wrong.  

Wrong because you decide what should a normal price be (not more than 50 bucks) without giving any argument for it. 50, why not 40 or 60 ? A variant of that is that an addon shouldn't be more expensive than the sim itself. Totally weird, makes no sense at all.  What about the enormous quantity of work, smartness and investment (software, distribution costs etc.) in a good simcraft. You know Majestic final margin ?

Wrong because putting your  "correct"  price on addons would automatically dry up the market for the aircraft I am interested in. This is an economic law : impose a price, create a penury. On another thread, warbirds came up in the discussion.  I am afraid it will take time to see one in FS20, of the quality I look for at least. Why, because it is a niche market. Not enough simmers interested. I certainly would be ready to put 100+ EUR in one to compensate  the smaller revenue of the developer.

Bottom line, over 50 bucks an addon is not overpriced. It is overpriced for you. This hobby went from a time when addons where relatively cheap in absolute terms and mediocre to a time when we have little jewels like the Majestic flying pencil.  I prefer now.  

Edited July 28, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

51 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Offended ? Nope. I just think that you are plain wrong.  

Wrong because you decide what should a normal price be (not more than 50 bucks) without giving any argument for it. 50, why not 40 or 60 ? A variant of that is that an addon shouldn't be more expensive than the sim itself. Totally weird, makes no sense at all.  What about the enormous quantity of work, smartness and investment (software, distribution costs etc.) in a good simcraft. You know Majestic final margin ?

Wrong because putting your  "correct"  price on addons would automatically dry up the market for the aircraft I am interested in. This is an economic law : impose a price, create a penury. On another thread, warbirds came up in the discussion.  I am afraid it will take time to see one in FS20, of the quality I look for at least. Why, because it is a niche market. Not enough simmers interested. I certainly would be ready to put 100+ EUR in one to compensate  the smaller revenue of the developer.

Bottom line, over 50 bucks an addon is not overpriced. It is overpriced for you. This hobby went from a time when addons where relatively cheap in absolute terms and mediocre to a time when we have little jewels like the Majestic flying pencil.  I prefer now.  

You are of course entitled to your *opinion*, as am I.

I just bought Half Life 2 on Steam for $10, an aging title but arguably one of the greatest games ever made.  I can buy newer games like Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim for around $30 or less - these are complex games with a vast world to explore and interact with.  There are many other very complex, technically advanced, and graphically stunning games for less than $50.  I know this is comparing apples and oranges, but I cannot justify $50, or more, for a *single* flightsim plane no matter how complex and realistic it is. 

I'm just always surprised at how many of you are so cavalier about spending $60, or even $100 in some cases, for a single flightsim plane.  For you it is simply worth that level of expense, which in the end is all that matters.  Value, as beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think they are too expensive and you don't. 

You're not wrong, but neither am I.

I suggest that you not be so judgemental.

Dave

Ok guys.... Let's keep the peace. Everyone's opinion holds worth, and absolutely correct to some they are too expensive, to others it may still be expensive but with the investment or pleasure. 

At the end of the day as long as we all get some sort of enjoyment out of the hobby regardless of if you spend $800 or $8 on your pleasurable sins.

At the end of the day who knows MSFS may surprise us all and offer a dlc Q400 for a nominal price which will great for those seeking a lesser complex aircraft.  In the end everybody wins. 

Cheers 

8 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

You are of course entitled to your *opinion*, as am I.

I just bought Half Life 2 on Steam for $10, an aging title but arguably one of the greatest games ever made.  I can buy newer games like Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim for around $30 or less - these are complex games with a vast world to explore and interact with.  There are many other very complex, technically advanced, and graphically stunning games for less than $50.  I know this is comparing apples and oranges, but I cannot justify $50, or more, for a *single* flightsim plane no matter how complex and realistic it is. 

I'm just always surprised at how many of you are so cavalier about spending $60, or even $100 in some cases, for a single flightsim plane.  For you it is simply worth that level of expense, which in the end is all that matters.  Value, as beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think they are too expensive and you don't. 

You're not wrong, but neither am I.

I suggest that you not be so judgemental.

Dave

 Make no mistake, the fact that you are entitled to your opinion doesn't make it right 😂 (teasing you here,  no offence intended !).

Judgemental, you bet ! Like you saying that 50 bucks is too much without explaining why.  You feel it unreasonable to buy an aircraft at more than 50 bucks : a fact. You say it is overpriced for you  : a fact. You say it is overpriced :  a judgement . 

I have given up shooters like HL2 but  I've played Oblivion and Skyrim for  years. They are not new games. Oblivion  is 14 years old and Skyrim was released 9 years ago. Great games*. Actually I do another run in Oblivion these days. They are cheap because they have been huge bestsellers, millions of copies allegedly sold. They also come out from a large studio/distributor, nothing like the small teams of the FS addons world. 

Are we cavalier to spend 100 bucks for an aircraft ?  If I see value and can afford it, why not ? I buy few of them,  maybe one or two every year, good ones,  that I fly for months.  And if it is the only way to get quality, depth, it iis a good call.

* look fof sales at Steam you can get them for less than 15 bucks now .

4 minutes ago, crosswind said:

Ok guys.... Let's keep the peace. Everyone's opinion holds worth, and absolutely correct to some they are too expensive, to others it may still be expensive but with the investment or pleasure. 

 

 Just a small debate between forum friends, nothing to worry about Simeon, hey Dave ?

1 minute ago, Dominique_K said:

hey Dave ?

Yes brother?

 

3 hours ago, crosswind said:

I have not taken offense by any means.  We are all entitled to our opinions and are certainly free to state them.  It's always good to know how some folks feel regarding certain items as it can sometimes allow one to re-evaluate aspects of the discussion or business model.

Very mature stance! Lot of devs are too sensitive towards criticism.