3 minutes ago, FlyingInACessna said:

Yep, correct! And then to get out of RT mode again you just hit the red again.

One bug I’ve noticed with this however is that you can enter reverse thrust mode on non-reverse thrust aircraft. It doesn’t actually apply reverse thrust, but it does prevent you from moving the throttle regularly until you toggle it again.

You are my hero - I spent 45 minutes last night trying to do this without panning down and using the mouse. Thank you

19 hours ago, cwburnett said:

I'm actually really happy with how reverse works with my saitek. In P3D, I had to set the reverse button to decrease throttle, and it was very hard to get just a little reverse, and coming out of reverse was not ideal, because you couldn't reduce reverse to idle before disengaging it, causing a brief acceleration when disengaging reverse.

However, with this setup, you use the button at the reverse range to toggle the throttle to reverse, then use the axis to set whatever reverse thrust value you want. So you can easily do idle reverse, or 20% reverse, or whatever you like. Just pop it back down to the reverse range to disengage reverse and the throttle reverts to normal behavior.  Here's a screenshot of how it looks in controls...

This stuff can be confusing. So, you're using a Honeycomb yoke system with Saitek add-on pedals and throttle quad. And it works in that combo out of the box.Good on that. Not so yet with a Saitek Yoke, they're working on new drivers as we speak to make the reverse thrust detant on the throttle quad work properly. Just have to utilize the red and blue levers in the interim. This is all such a wonderful hot mess, I love it!
United001

Edited August 20, 20205 yr by united001

CWBurnett,

I read with interest your post and settings screenshot. Can you please advise on the following.

I followed your settings guide with the exception of inserting the toggle throttle reverse thrust. I am using a Saitek Throttle Quad and allocated button 11 (below throttle detent)  I got into the sim (DA62) and I found that the the throttles were not working. Out of the sim and then back in I checked the settings and all looked normal, so I concluded that it was a glitch and tried again with the same result. Back out of the sim and back in to try the addition of the "toggle thrust reverse thrust" save and tried the Baron with exactly the same result. I eventually found that the only way to get my throttles to work was to unallocate the two reverse thrusts and hey presto.  This however, does not help the cause, as I do not want to allocate the thrust function to anything else (and therefore did not try) except the switch when the throttle is pulled all the way back past the detent.

Any ideas on what is causing this problem.

Secondly, you may have noticed that I keep mentioning getting out of the sim and then back into it.  This is because my ESC key (mapped to "return to menu") is not working either.  It is not the keyboard because it works in xplane and in P3D. I am now wondering if it i not mapped correctly but again, it is not something I have changed and it did work originally.

Any help with this too would be a great help

Regards

Tony

 

 

On 8/19/2020 at 5:47 PM, cwburnett said:

I'm actually really happy with how reverse works with my saitek. In P3D, I had to set the reverse button to decrease throttle, and it was very hard to get just a little reverse, and coming out of reverse was not ideal, because you couldn't reduce reverse to idle before disengaging it, causing a brief acceleration when disengaging reverse.

However, with this setup, you use the button at the reverse range to toggle the throttle to reverse, then use the axis to set whatever reverse thrust value you want. So you can easily do idle reverse, or 20% reverse, or whatever you like. Just pop it back down to the reverse range to disengage reverse and the throttle reverts to normal behavior.  Here's a screenshot of how it looks in controls...

Thanks for the advice. I have a Saitek throttle and in P3D/FSX/FS9, i had set the "button" below the throttle to "decrease throttle" and then i checked the repeat button. This worked perfect, never had any issues going from reverse to idle. Is there anyway to do this in msfs? Im not liking the thought of hitting a button both before and after using reverse thrust. Any input on that sort of setup, or is using a button before and after the only way in the new sim? Thanks. 

-Tony@PVD

12 minutes ago, breakinghbts said:

Thanks for the advice. I have a Saitek throttle and in P3D/FSX/FS9, i had set the "button" below the throttle to "decrease throttle" and then i checked the repeat button. This worked perfect, never had any issues going from reverse to idle. Is there anyway to do this in msfs? Im not liking the thought of hitting a button both before and after using reverse thrust. Any input on that sort of setup, or is using a button before and after the only way in the new sim? Thanks. 

-Tony@PVD

Yea, that's what I had in P3D also. I didn't find that it worked here. But to be clear you don't have to hit a button, per se. Since the reverse range of the saitek is actually just a button, you can map that reverse range button (I think buttons 7, 8 and 9 for each of the three throttle axes) to the reverse toggle. So the action is, on rollout, pull the throttle down to the reverse range and then just move it forward and you're in reverse - set whatever reverse thrust you want with the throttle axis...and when you're done, return the throttle back to the reverse range to disengage and back to idle you go. 

Thanks, that sounds easier than i had first understood. Thanks for the detailed explanation.

-Tony@PVD

12 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

I followed your settings guide with the exception of inserting the toggle throttle reverse thrust. I am using a Saitek Throttle Quad and allocated button 11 (below throttle detent)  I got into the sim (DA62) and I found that the the throttles were not working. Out of the sim and then back in I checked the settings and all looked normal, so I concluded that it was a glitch and tried again with the same result. Back out of the sim and back in to try the addition of the "toggle thrust reverse thrust" save and tried the Baron with exactly the same result. I eventually found that the only way to get my throttles to work was to unallocate the two reverse thrusts and hey presto.  This however, does not help the cause, as I do not want to allocate the thrust function to anything else (and therefore did not try) except the switch when the throttle is pulled all the way back past the detent.

So, I may be misunderstanding, so bear with me...but I think the confusion is that MSFS fundamentally handles reverse thrust differently than we're used to with other sims. Namely, there's no separate reverse axis - rather there's an option to use the throttle axis for both reverse and normal thrust, and you can put the throttle lever into reverse mode by either a TOGGLE (press the button, axis is assigned to reverse thrust, press button again and axis is returned to normal thrust) or a HOLD (hold the button and while that button is held, the throttle axis controls reverse thrust). For our saiteks, the reverse range of each throttle axis is actually just a button. So for me, those 'buttons' are 7, 8 and 9 (respectively for each of the three throttle levers). As a result, what I think works best is to use that reverse range to activate, or toggle, into reverse mode and then the throttle lever, when increased is now increasing reverse thrust. When done with rollout, pull the throttle back to the reverse range to deactivate reverse. So, you need the 'toggle reverse thrust' assignment made in order for this to work, and it should be assigned to the 'button' that is activated by pulling the saitek controller into that reverse range at the bottom. I hope that's making sense.  A few things to note:

1) Don't confuse the little 'REVERSE AXIS' checkbox with reverse thrust - that just inverts the axis, so for example, when assigning a throttle axis to the spoiler axis, you'd use that little 'REVERSE AXIS' checkbox so that when all the way forward the spoilers are retracted and when pulled back, the spoilers are extended. That box should not be checked for the throttle.

2) If you get in a plane with no reverse thrust, like the DA62 or Baron, if you've accidentally engaged reverse by accidentally pulling the throttle into the reverse range, your throttle won't work - if this is happening, just pop it back into reverse for a second and you'll disengage reverse mode and all should work well. THIS CAN BE AVOIDED by creating a separate controller profile for planes without reverse thrust, and not including the 'toggle throttle reverse thrust' entry - just delete that entry for the profile you create for planes without reverse.

3) You need to meticulously make sure that these buttons or axes aren't assigned to another function. Unlike P3D, MSFS will check if the button or axis is assigned elsewhere, but it won't clear that setting. So you can end up with two contradictory functions tied to the same button or axis, and then things get really messy. This is an irritating oversight in my opinion, so make sure you don't have anything else assigned to those buttons or axes.

4) Also, as our saiteks get older, the little 'detent' that physically makes it click between idle and reverse is wearing out and so it is very easy to accidentally activate reverse...so be careful with how aggressively you move to idle. If you aggressively move to idle, you could easily activate reverse and then it will seem like your throttle isn't responding in flight...ask me how I know? hehe

5) Also also, when dealing with two engines where you have a throttle axis for engine 1 and another for engine 2 - you only assign the toggle reverse to ONE of the throttles - doesn't matter which, but don't assign it to both or you'll never get reverse, because one throttle will activate it and the other will immediately deactivate it...ask me know I know?....

Let me know if this helps...hopefully it does?

12 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

Secondly, you may have noticed that I keep mentioning getting out of the sim and then back into it.  This is because my ESC key (mapped to "return to menu") is not working either.  It is not the keyboard because it works in xplane and in P3D. I am now wondering if it i not mapped correctly but again, it is not something I have changed and it did work originally.

That's weird. My only suggestion would be to reset your controls to default? But that sounds terrible. So, another option would be to map that function to another key...how about map 'return to menu' to Q or CTRL Q or something? And that way at least you can get easily to the menu without having to totally back out every time you make a change.

Edited August 21, 20205 yr by cwburnett

cwburnett,

With regard to the reverse thrust,  I do know that the reverse box is an entirely different proposition and is not related to reverse thrust. That did not confuse me at all.

I did work out that there is no individual reverse thrust for each engine and that just the one key mapping operates all engines.  Pity really, because I really love that feature in XPlane11 and I did/do have all engines mapped through Lorbys Axis and Ohs software in P3D.

What I really want is just to map the one detent switch for reverse thrust and simply not use it for non-reverse thrust aircraft. My problem is that for any aircraft, when I map that detent switch, no throttles work at all, even in the reverse thrust models. ie Airbus or Boeing 747. This has got me completely baffled.

Re the escape key.  I accidently pushed the P (mapped to pause) key and that took me back to the menu ?????? I very rarely use pause so that took me completely by surprise. The escape key still does not work. I have yet to work out how to pause the sim now LOL  This UI is so completely intuitive and anything you really need to know, you simply have to read the manual.  Obviously this is in jest.

As for the "reset to default", I discovered, much to my total amazement, that most of the mappings are duplicated by up to 4 different controllers, I have spent about two hours deleting all the controls I do not use and then when allocating a key assignment, making absolutely sure that it is NOT configured elsewhere. It is no wonder that the sim is behaving so  &*&$#$^$()&  badly.  Obviously, resetting to default is not a viable option as I do not want to repeat everything again.

I am now wondering if everybody is aware of the double/triple/quadruple key and axis mapping.  I cannot imagine why any sane programmers would do this.  It may well have some relevant function but what that is escapes me entirely.  It may well be that they have a weird sense of humour.

Anyway, having deleted all the excess key and axis assignments, the sim is now very flyable and I am quite enjoying it.  Still not up to P3D or Xplane (fully loaded) standards but once the third party devs get going, I believe they will really make this thing hum .... so very much potential, completely destroyed by this too early release. 

My final gripe is with the camera system. This is not the sims fault because I have no previous experience with Ezidok or Chaseplane and with configuring cameras.  This is just going to take time and patience to work out what views I want and how to map them from there. Again, I will just read the manual LOL

Anyway any further comments are welcome and I thank you and the other respondents sincerely for your help.

Regards

Tony

I'm struggling setting up reverse.  I've found the toggle reverse thrust, I move the detent back, the sim recognises it as Z.  I press validate and the input just disappears....any ideas?

If find this confusing because Z is a keyboard function mapped to autopilot master by default.  So why is the sim assigned a keyboard command on my throttle quadrant??

 

Edited August 22, 20205 yr by sidfadc

On 8/20/2020 at 10:04 AM, united001 said:

This stuff can be confusing. So, you're using a Honeycomb yoke system with Saitek add-on pedals and throttle quad. And it works in that combo out of the box.Good on that. Not so yet with a Saitek Yoke, they're working on new drivers as we speak to make the reverse thrust detant on the throttle quad work properly. Just have to utilize the red and blue levers in the interim. This is all such a wonderful hot mess, I love it!
United001

What symptoms are you finding with the Saitek yoke version of the quadrant and revers thrust? Is it not registering or showing as a “z”? 

When you say they are working on new drivers... how did you find this out?

On 8/22/2020 at 1:31 PM, sidfadc said:

I'm struggling setting up reverse.  I've found the toggle reverse thrust, I move the detent back, the sim recognises it as Z.  I press validate and the input just disappears....any ideas?

If find this confusing because Z is a keyboard function mapped to autopilot master by default.  So why is the sim assigned a keyboard command on my throttle quadrant??

 

Do you have the stand alone quadrant or the one that comes with the yoke?

i have the one with the yoke and it’s not working like yours, and it seems the poster I quoted above has some insights.

 

On 8/21/2020 at 3:11 PM, himmelhorse said:

What I really want is just to map the one detent switch for reverse thrust and simply not use it for non-reverse thrust aircraft. My problem is that for any aircraft, when I map that detent switch, no throttles work at all, even in the reverse thrust models. ie Airbus or Boeing 747. This has got me completely baffled.

Can you send a screenshot of how you have your reverse setup? I can't imagine what's going on...

Also, if you use the @cwburnett then I'll get notified and won't ignore you for so long! Sorry!

On 8/22/2020 at 2:31 PM, sidfadc said:

I'm struggling setting up reverse.  I've found the toggle reverse thrust, I move the detent back, the sim recognises it as Z.  I press validate and the input just disappears....any ideas?

If find this confusing because Z is a keyboard function mapped to autopilot master by default.  So why is the sim assigned a keyboard command on my throttle quadrant??

 

I think it might be recognizing the Z axis, rather than the Z on the keyboard. Try putting it fully in the detent before opening that window so that it doesn't recognize the axis and instead the button.  What controller are you mapping?

interesting thread - anyone with a Warthog throttle quadrant like to share their settings for this please

 

 

I'm assuming this is NOT the same situation for Feathering? In FSX the only way to allow for that was with FSUIPC. Hoping the same isn't true here, but I have a sinking feeling.....

33 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

interesting thread - anyone with a Warthog throttle quadrant like to share their settings for this please

 

 

I just set a button on my warthog throttle for toggle thrust reverse. Works fine..