August 22, 20205 yr Today I found out that there is no special flight model for the Citation Longitude! It just uses the flight model "generic business jet"! That leads to totally unrealistic max speed and way to less range. Do you guys know if Asobo plans to update the plane?
August 22, 20205 yr Welcome to AVSIM! I hope you enjoy your stay. If Asobo doesn't have plans to update the default Citation, then I feel sure that some knowledgeable members may well do so once they have got to grips with how to alter the parameters and configurations.. Mark Robinson Part-time Ferroequinologist Author of FLIGHT: A near-future short story (ebook available on amazon) I made the baby cry - A2A Simulations L-049 Constellation Sky Simulations MD-11 V2.2 Pilot. The best "lite" MD-11 money can buy (well, it's not freeware!)
August 22, 20205 yr I tried CJ4 and can only make it half of it declared range with full tanks . We need some CJ drivers to shed some light on real ops vs sim! Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASELMy System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSDPut my hands on (pic/dual/given)7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22
August 22, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, sd_flyer said: I tried CJ4 and can only make it half of it declared range with full tanks . We need some CJ drivers to shed some light on real ops vs sim! Yep. The CJ-4 has way too much engine power and burns fuel at about twice the rate of the real thing. The second problem is probably related to the first. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
August 22, 20205 yr 54 minutes ago, JRBarrett said: Yep. The CJ-4 has way too much engine power and burns fuel at about twice the rate of the real thing. The second problem is probably related to the first. It has reverse thrust, which it doesn't in real life.
August 22, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, JRBarrett said: Yep. The CJ-4 has way too much engine power and burns fuel at about twice the rate of the real thing. The second problem is probably related to the first. I feel like they had the Citation X in the back of their mind when they made cj4. 🙄🙄
August 22, 20205 yr 56 minutes ago, PDillon86 said: I feel like they had the Citation X in the back of their mind when they made cj4. 🙄🙄 Yes, it does kind of appear that way! Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
August 23, 20205 yr Despite Carenado's reputation for Eye candy aircraft - but poor controls etc - in P3D I fly a lot in their 525 - 560 - and Dasault Falcon 50 - which is a Beauty!! - which took me around the World on a Flight. Either Asobo should hand the upgrade job to Carenado's experience - or if Carenado is reading this you have an immediate customer for the FA 50 and the 560 in the MSFX sim.
August 23, 20205 yr I know that the CJ4 is a default aircraft, but isn't engine power and fuel burn kinda basic stuff for a flight model? Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
August 23, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, Christopher Low said: I know that the CJ4 is a default aircraft, but isn't engine power and fuel burn kinda basic stuff for a flight model? It should be. Either 1) a bug or 2) they ran out of time. Should be reported to Asobo ticketing system multiple times. FSX | DCS | X-Plane 11 | MSFS 2020 | IL2:BoX Favorite aircraft currently: MSFS Savage Cub
August 23, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, Slides said: It should be. Either 1) a bug or 2) they ran out of time. Should be reported to Asobo ticketing system multiple times. Please do that. But also make sure you keep reporting here, as they certainly seem to be more attentive to the AVSIM forums. Ramón. Time, is the one thing no one can buy.
August 23, 20205 yr Its a fun small jet that needs to be fixed, yesterday i had coffee with 2 engineers who i got into flight sims back in 98 when we were young and dumb. And this guys have the numbers and access to data that if we knew how to mess with fs aircraft files we could probably tweak a few thing . It may be time for me or us to start learning how to make changes... 45 % fuel should cover certain distance with calm weather all around and is not the case and seems like this thing is thirsty as a camel . Edited August 23, 20205 yr by rtodepart Image removed as image is no longer available.
August 23, 20205 yr Hola Tony The MSFS2020 CJ4 won’t even reach 500 nm on 50% fuel, many values are wrong. Also seems someone thinks "generic business jet" comprises any jet, from a Lear25 to a G650. ATM the CJ4 can go head to head with a Tomcat. Even in range! Edited August 23, 20205 yr by RamonB Ramón. Time, is the one thing no one can buy.
August 23, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, JRBarrett said: Yep. The CJ-4 has way too much engine power and burns fuel at about twice the rate of the real thing. The second problem is probably related to the first. Yup, you almost have to turn the throttles to idle during initial climb, and it burns fuel so fast you have avail yourself of the "inflight refuel option".
August 23, 20205 yr Author 14 hours ago, rtodepart said: Its a fun small jet that needs to be fixed, yesterday i had coffee with 2 engineers who i got into flight sims back in 98 when we were young and dumb. And this guys have the numbers and access to data that if we knew how to mess with fs aircraft files we could probably tweak a few thing . It may be time for me or us to start learning how to make changes... 45 % fuel should cover certain distance with calm weather all around and is not the case and seems like this thing is thirsty as a camel . Unfortunately for the Longitude you can't make any changes as the plane is "encrypted" (probably because they don't want you to just copy it over to the standard edition.) But for the CJ4 you can definitely try it. So far I found out that the "flight_model.cfg" inside this folder: %appdata%\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Official\Steam\asobo-aircraft-cj4\SimObjects\Airplanes\Asobo_CJ4 Is the file to tweak. Maybe also the "engines.cfg" inside the same folder. Let's hope they will make updates to the business jet aircrafts once they finished more important bugs. On 8/22/2020 at 11:08 PM, HighBypass said: Welcome to AVSIM! I hope you enjoy your stay. If Asobo doesn't have plans to update the default Citation, then I feel sure that some knowledgeable members may well do so once they have got to grips with how to alter the parameters and configurations.. Thanks for the welcome. Edited August 23, 20205 yr by Panse
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