live weather is a joke still....

[Rudiii 257]

For those who have noticed the weather doesn't match METAR data, this is because the weather in the sim is Forecast rather than Observed.

[ahsmatt7 1,201]

9 hours ago, Mace said:

Well I think the default sim should have at least a basic functioning live weather option.

It doesn't have to be super-duper-great but as long as it works, I'd be good with it.

So then yes -- I'd buy an add-on if it made better depictions, etc. --  like ActiveSky. 

You must not have used p3d....

[Colonel X 1,434]

5 minutes ago, SnakeP said:

Talking about this and other issues got MS/Asobo to admit that there’s a problem in the first place. How people here are trying to shush others for raising their voice is beyond me!

If we were only being quiet and enjoy the beautiful looks of this Microsoft Scenery Simulator, nothing would ever get the attention of the devs.

Oh, and fyi, the problem with the Live Weather has been reported since TA1 and nobody cared to do anything about it. Only publicity is getting things to be changed.

You can't honestly believe Asobo doesn't know about the wind bug, seriously. No matter what's on any official issue list.

[SnakeP 39]

25 minutes ago, Colonel X said:

Except for winds aloft, which aren't working in most parts of the world (they do work in central Europe however), live weather works brilliantly and produces never before seen results. [...]

 

This is just painfully wrong. It’s not just the wind, but other parameters often don’t match their real-world counterparts as well, not even close. The UK is an exception for me (at least most of the time), but in the US I hardly ever have a match in temperature, pressure and wind on the ground. I see some clouds, though, even though they’re quite often not at altitudes where they’re supposed to be.

Yes, I know how to enable “Live Weather” in the settings, yes, I know that certain deviations are completely acceptable within the sim, and yes, it also happens on the very first flight...

[KenG 492]

6 hours ago, LHookins said:

Jeppesen weather had a number of problems.  There was no smoothing and no sanity check...

Flying in the real world and using Jeppesen weather for flight planning for decades and it never let me down. Many times I crossed the Atlantic using FliteStar Corporate with Jeppesen weather and the flight planning was within the tolerances you would expect. I have even been to places in the world where the weather coverage was spotty at best and Jeppesen did a much better job at predicting trends then I could get through the official sources. (Try getting METAR or TAF for GATB!) 

Saying Jeppesen weather has problems is an unfair assessment and most likely made from the constraints of a video game alone from someone who has never used it in professional aviation environment. 

The same assessment could be drawn about Navblue in MSFS. The coverage is spotty and incorrect. Once might be inclined to call Navblue's products problematic without realizing it is not the data, but it is the software that is pulling and extracting the data into the game that is at fault.

I would suggest holding the correct entity at fault in both of these cases, Microsoft and its entertainment brand subcontractors (ACES and Asobo.)

[DPSimulation 235]

28 minutes ago, SnakeP said:

Talking about this and other issues got MS/Asobo to admit that there’s a problem in the first place. How people here are trying to shush others for raising their voice is beyond me!

I see this quite a bit here, talk of trying to shush others along with mentions of trying to restrict free speech. Stop being silly.

The thread is just a pointless vent, any other similar thread here doesn't have a bearing on whether they admit or fix issues, that is what their own forums and support system is for.

[Keto Ketchup 240]

I would love if live weather used world weather radar data to accurately place precipitation events. I have an app on my iPad that shows precipitation around the world wherever there is radar coverage, so it would be possible. The other day a big storm passed though my area, so I just parked at the airport and waited to see if this storm would pass in the sim. It was cloudy, but it never rained. Now if the forecast itself lists the entire region as "rain", then it rains in the sim, but this isn't the same fidelity we would get using live radar.

[UAL4life 240]

48 minutes ago, wainwj said:

For those who have noticed the weather doesn't match METAR data, this is because the weather in the sim is Forecast rather than Observed.

Oh ffs. ... 😕 

[Rudiii 257]

3 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

Oh ffs. ... 😕 

Unfortunately either system has it's downsides. You either use observed and risk having areas totally omitted due to lack of data or you use forecast and suffer based on it's accuracy or timings.

I think once it's sorted I'm happy with the current system. I have my navigation app and Meteoblue app open while flying so as long as it matches the data displayed on the app then I can't see an issue. They made it so you can search by airport code anyway, which is useful. 

[Sticky 269]

55 minutes ago, wainwj said:

For those who have noticed the weather doesn't match METAR data, this is because the weather in the sim is Forecast rather than Observed.

Yep. And that’s why the “patch” for live weather won’t be what many are expecting...(ie active sky)

[Denwagg 191]

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So many things that are truly not working Im not sure if they will every be fixed. Take Seasons for example. Everyone says when bing updates the planet we will have seasons. I have interstate constructions projects on my Scenery that were completed over a year ago. How are they going to update the seasons. And the trees are evergreen all year around. There are no trees without leaves. 

Perhaps I dont understand. My Only reference is DCS. When DCS released a DLC as beta everything worked correctly except those things they clearly stated are not integrated yet. There are very few bugs and they are addressed very quickly.

I know its all been said before and I know most people are tired of hearing about it. And its only been a couple of weeks since release. But right now after the new wears off except for VFR the immersion is not there yet at least for me.

[scotchegg 4,240]

10 minutes ago, Denwagg said:

When DCS released a DLC as beta everything worked correctly except those things they clearly stated are not integrated yet. There are very few bugs and they are addressed very quickly.

Laughs in woefully incomplete, buggy F18, F16, MiG 21, AV8B, M2000 etc. etc.

[Denwagg 191]

We bought the DCS modules knowing they we not fully implemented yet.

I don't recall Microsoft saying the weather or the seasons or traffic were not fully functional yet

[Farlis 2,317]

12 hours ago, mwilk said:

It's been an issue since day 1 of the Alpha. I would have thought it would have been a bigger priority. Maybe they're just going to let HiFi fix it.

If that is really true, that I don't get how they ever made a release candidate before fixing the weather issues.

[JRBarrett 3,121]

6 hours ago, Mabe456 said:

TL;DR something is absolutely broken with the weather system. We're not talking about a 30 minute or hour lag, that would be totally acceptable and understandable. This is something specific to the US breaking the weather injection system, getting stuck data in the ATIS, getting nothing off the US servers, and getting 12 hour old data at best from the European servers.

I am connected to the US server on every flight, and I always get live weather, as long as it is the first flight after loading into the sim. I have seen plenty of clouds (where clouds are shown on the world map), and even thunderstorms. Like everyone else flying in the US, I don’t get wind, but all other weather elements work.

What you cannot do is back out to the main menu to change to a different aircraft, or move to a different airport. If you do that, live weather stops working completely. If you want to change either the aircraft or airport, it is necessary to completely exit from the sim and start over. That is a definite bug that needs to be fixed by Asobo.

A user at the MSFS official forums who has a lot of networking experience was able to analyze the network connections the sim makes while running and he determined that the weather does not come from either the US or European servers (the ones that can be selected by clicking on your user name in the main menu). Those are the Azure servers that stream the scenery. By default, an individual user will automatically connect to whichever server has the lowest ping times.

The weather comes from a different server, with a different IP address, and apparently everyone, no matter where they are physically located in the world, gets weather from the same server. There are two separate URLs in the weather server that the sim connects to. One URL provides the graphical elements in the world map: The clouds, surface wind readings for various airports, and the lower and upper wind layers that can be visualized by selecting the filter options on the world map.

The other URL provides the actual weather elements that are injected into the game. The networking expert on the forum was able to look at the individual TCP/IP packets being sent from the weather data server. Without knowing the specific format of the data, he really could not determine what the contents actually were. One thing he did notice: In each packet, there were always certain bytes pairs that were identical. Those are probably delimiters between individual data fields. One thing he found that might be significant: One of the “fixed” bytes always had one specific value when the aircraft was loaded at a European airport where winds are working, and a different value when loaded at a US airport where winds do not work. 

I am reasonably confident that the wind problem, and the occasions where the entire weather systems world wide seem hours out of date, is something at Microsoft/Asobo’s end, and not MeteoBlue. The time in the sim, or discrepancies between sim time and Zulu time may have a lot to do with the outdated weather problem. 

You mentioned Arizona. That is one state I have been meaning to check. I suspect that MSFS is not aware that Arizona is one of the few US states that does not observe daylight savings time. In the summer, states in the US Mountain time zone are GMT -6 hours, and GMT -7 hours in winter. Arizona is GMT -7 all year, so in summer, Arizona local time is the same as in the Pacific time zone (i.e California).

In any case, Asobo has promised that there will be a “significant improvement” in the live weather after the next patch. I guess we will all have to wait and see.